Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19
th, 2014 at 1:10am:
Soren wrote on Sep 18
th, 2014 at 8:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18
th, 2014 at 7:21pm:
These books included the classics of Rome and Greece, lost to the west for hundreds of years.
because of the Muslim invasion and subjugation of of the Eastern Roman Empire, cutting the Greek east off from the Latin West.
The translation of the classical Greek heritage into Latin and into Western vernaculars really took off when in 1453 Byzantium fell and the refugees to the West took the books they could rescue with them. This is when Greek literature was beginning to appear - the Arabs had no interest in Greek literature or poetry and had none of it translated by the conquered Jews and Christians who did the vast majority of the translations for them.
Hang on a second. So, you're saying that the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 1453 was the reason why the supposedly enlightened Christian West ignored Greek and Roman literature and science for nearly 1,000 years? Are you sure, Soren?
No, he's saying scholars fleeing the Ottomans brought classical texts to the West, and it's true. They did.
Arabic scholars, however, had already translated Greek texts, and applied them to Islamic philosophy:
Quote:Throughout the eighth and ninth centuries (second and third centuries ah), a new impetus was given to the translation movement thanks to the enlightened patronage of three of the early Abbasid caliphs at Baghdad, al-Mansur, Harun and his son al-Ma'mun, who founded the House of Wisdom in Baghdad to serve as a library and institute of translation. It was during the reign of al-Ma'mun that the translation of medical, scientific and philosophical texts, chiefly from Greek or Syriac, was placed on an official footing. The major translators who flourished during al-Ma'mun's reign include Yahya ibn al-Bitriq, credited with translating into Arabic Plato's Timaeus, Aristotle's On the Soul, On the Heavens and Prior Analytics as well as the Secret of Secrets, an apocryphal political treatise of unknown authorship attributed to Aristotle.
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Ibn Rushd continued the tradition of commenting on Aristotle's works initiated in Arab Spain by Ibn Bajja (Avempace) and in the East by al-Farabi. Ibn Rushd, however, produced the most extensive commentaries on all the works of Aristotle with the exception of the Politics, for which he substituted the Republic of Plato. These commentaries, which have survived in Arabic, Hebrew or Latin, earned him in the Middle Ages the title of the Commentator, or as Dante put it in Inferno V. 144, 'che'l gran commento feo' (he who wrote the grand commentary). Ibn Rushd actually wrote three types of commentaries, known as the large, middle and short commentaries, on the major Aristotelian treatises, notably the Physics, the Metaphysics, the Posterior Analytics, On the Soul and On the Heavens. In addition, he defended Aristotle against the onslaughts of al-Ghazali, the famous Ash'arite theologian, in a great work of philosophical debate entitled the Tahafut al-tahafut (Incoherence of the Incoherence), a rebuttal of al-Ghazali's Tahafut al-falasifa (Incoherence of the Philosophers).
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The first genuine system-builder in Islam, however, was al-Farabi. He was the first outstanding logician of Islam, who commented on or paraphrased the six books of Aristotle's Organon, together with the Rhetoric and the Poetics, which formed part of the Organon in the Syriac-Arabic tradition and to which the Isagog of Porphyry, also paraphrased by al-Farabi, was added. He also wrote several original treatises on the analysis of logical terms, which had no parallels until modern times. He defended Aristotelian logic against the Arabic grammarians who regarded logic as a foreign importation, doubly superfluous and pernicious (see Logic in Islamic philosophy). He also laid down the foundations of Arab-Islamic Neoplatonism in a series of writings, the best-known of which is al-Madina al-fadila (Opinions of the Inhabitants of the Virtuous City). This treatise is inspired by the same utopian ideal as Plato's Republic (see Plato §14), but is essentially an exposition of the emanationist world-view of Plotinus to which a political dimension has been added. In that latter respect, it had hardly any impact on political developments in Islam, but it did inspire subsequent writers on political philosophy such as Ibn Bajja. Another great champion of the emanationist world-view was Abu 'Ali al-Husayn Ibn Sina (Avicenna), who was a confessed spiritual disciple of al-Farabi.
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H011And blah blah blah. We could go on. We will.
Carry on camping, that's the old boy's motto.