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Reply #30 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

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They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people - Christians, Muslims, minorities across Iraq and Syria. They boast of their brutality. They claim to do this in the name of Islam.

That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace.

The Islamic state are devout muslims following Islam.

Yes the muslims from the Islamic state have said people must convert or die which comes from Allah.
quran.com/9/5

The Quran tells you to follow the example Mohammad set-
quran.com/33/21

The Islamic state are just doing what Mohammad did-
sunnah.com/muslim/32/1

Islam is not a religion of peace,the Ahmadi muslims dropped the obligation for Jihad and are persecuted worldwide by mainstream Islam.

Does this verse indicate a peaceful belief, who are those muslims who Allah calls hypocrites,do we call them moderates?
quran.com/9/73

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Reply #32 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data-

people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities. If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit".

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #33 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data-

people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

To be fair I would prefer more Muslims stand up and in a muscular, united and meaningful way, worldwide, with as much energy as can be rallied by the Islamic Muslims when condemning cartoons for example, then make it clear and loud they condemn actions taken in thier name.

I know you will object that they do this, but with not nearly enough enthusiasm, instead of googling to find condemnations they should be on the evening news, hundreds of them from all over the world united in condemning ISIS. Instead we tend to get (when they can be found) wishy washy and qualified statements with the weasel words, they are not Muslims. When patently, they are, Muslim. It's silly to deny that they are not.

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #34 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data-

people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-c...

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #35 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:38pm

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

To be fair I would prefer more Muslims stand up and in a muscular, united and meaningful way, worldwide, with as much energy as can be rallied by the Islamic Muslims when condemning cartoons for example, then make it clear and loud they condemn actions taken in thier name.

So you want the mainstream peaceful muslims to become violent and extreme - just like the people they are condemning?

Yeah, that makes sense. Tongue

Muslims "prove" their loyalty to Australia and aversion to extremism in their every day behaviour - doing their jobs, taking their kids to school, contributing to mainstream society in a positive, productive way - just being normal and peaceful like everyone else. And yes, thats what the vast majority of muslims do - go about their lives peacefully and productively. They have earned their right to be respected and treated the same as any other contributing member of society. They have as much connection to the terrorists in Iraq as you or Yadda - and unless they had some direct involvement in the sponsoring or passage of the fighters over there - which 99+% of Australian muslims don't - then they have precisely zero responsibility over them.

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Reply #36 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:40pm

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities. If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit".

So what the hell do you expect?

"err yeah - these guys are actually upstanding muslims - we are the fakes - sorry 'bout that" Tongue

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Reply #37 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

To be fair I would prefer more Muslims stand up and in a muscular, united and meaningful way, worldwide, with as much energy as can be rallied by the Islamic Muslims when condemning cartoons for example, then make it clear and loud they condemn actions taken in thier name.

So you want the mainstream peaceful muslims to become violent and extreme - just like the people they are condemning?

Yeah, that makes sense. Tongue

When people rephrase a statement starting with "So..." You can be sure you are about to witness a work of fiction.

I didn't actually say that mainstream Muslims should become violent and extreme just that if as much effort by Muslims went into condemning Islamic atrocities as cartoons then you might have a chance at turning the negative PR around.

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #38 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities. If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit".

So what the hell do you expect?

"err yeah - these guys are actually upstanding muslims - we are the fakes - sorry 'bout that" Tongue

What the hell do I expect? Nothing much, I expect the train crash to continue but calling them fakes is not cutting it in case you have not noticed. I wouldn't actually call them upstanding Muslims, but they are definitely Muslim and denying that they are is laughable and looks like duplicity and denial.

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #39 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Muslims "prove" their loyalty to Australia and aversion to extremism in their every day behaviour - doing their jobs, taking their kids to school, contributing to mainstream society in a positive, productive way - just being normal and peaceful like everyone else. And yes, thats what the vast majority of muslims do - go about their lives peacefully and productively. They have earned their right to be respected and treated the same as any other contributing member of society. They have as much connection to the terrorists in Iraq as you or Yadda - and unless they had some direct involvement in the sponsoring or passage of the fighters over there - which 99+% of Australian muslims don't - then they have precisely zero responsibility over them.

I used to do briefs and do nothing is always an option. Not usually a good one, it hardly ever addresses the problem to be solved but it is always an option. Cool

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #40 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities. If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit".

So what the hell do you expect?

"err yeah - these guys are actually upstanding muslims - we are the fakes - sorry 'bout that" Tongue

Do you think it will help if you tell the truth or will you lose any credibility when caught out telling lies?

Who are the munafiqs (hypocrites) in the Quran?

For the record i think Ahmadis are muslims even though mainstream Islam persecutes them and rejects them as deviant heretics

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Reply #41 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data-

people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-c...

No reply from our resident Muslim apologist.

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Reply #42 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:15pm

eagle eyes, you can turn things around to make a real video look fake or vicera versa. Tell you one thing though. There was nothing fake about those thousands who were trapped on that mountain without food or water whilst ISIS starved them out; that is until allied air force intervention.

And there is nothing fake about the continuing genocides ISIS carry out in their path of destruction, they would make Hitler proud.

PS They are about to get their sorry arses kicked in the very near future Cool

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #43 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:17pm

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:55pm:

if as much effort by Muslims went into condemning Islamic atrocities as cartoons then you might have a chance at turning the negative PR around.

There were less than 200 violent muslim demonstrators at Australia's one and only Muhammad film protest.

Yesterday there was 5 times as many muslims at a BBQ gathering, organised by muslims, to stand up against islamic extremism.

No doubt you were too busy rolling your eyes to notice.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: David Haines reported beheaded by ISIS
Reply #44 - Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data-

people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-c...

No reply from our resident Muslim apologist.

Of course not Bobby - as you no doubt detected from the tone of my posts, I'm totally in love with those upstanding IS guys Tongue

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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