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Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:11pm
 
Suspected bomber's brother nabbed in raids

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/afp-raid-islamic-bookstore-in-qld-report/story-fn3dxiwe-1227053825531

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THE brother of a suspected Australian suicide bomber has been arrested for recruiting foot soldiers in the battle to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

OMAR Succarieh is one of two men who'll be charged with organising incursions into Syria after a series of raids in Brisbane and Logan on Wednesday, following a year-long counter-terrorism investigation.
Police say there's nothing to suggest the men were planning a terrorist attack in Australia, nor was there any threat to the upcoming G20 Leaders Summit in Brisbane in November.

But they said police had to proceed with the raids on Wednesday, in the interests of public safety, after finding one of the men with a gun and crossbow.

Succarieh, 31, is the brother of Ahmed Succarieh, an Australian reported to have committed a suicide bombing in Syria.

It's alleged the two Brisbane men were connected to the Sunni extremist group Jabhat al-Nusra, a terrorist group banned in Australia that is fighting to defeat the al-Assad regime.

AFP National Manager Counter Terrorism Assistant Commissioner Neil Gaughan said there was nothing to connect the men to the jihadist Islamic State movement.

"This has got nothing to do with Islam. This is criminal behaviour by Australians involved in terrorist activity," Mr Gaughan said.

In an extraordinary police operation, about 180 federal and Queensland police raided nine properties in Logan and Brisbane, including the iQraa Islamic Centre, in the Logan suburb of Underwood.

Succarieh, and the other man arrested, a 21-year-old from Logan, were both linked to the centre, where police seized evidence on Wednesday.

Photos taken by media outlets at the scene showed an arrow and styrofoam head pockmarked with puncture holes.

Mr Gaughan said seized electronic records would be crucial to the ongoing investigation, adding there were no other suspects in Australia.

But he said there were links to Syria and the investigation was ongoing.

The raids come as Australia weighs whether its terror threat level should be raised from medium to high, meaning an attack on home soil is considered likely.

"We've moved upwards above moderate, but whether we are yet at wanting to say it is high or extreme is obviously a big step," Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said on Wednesday.

"One of the things we obviously need to look at is whether there ought to be interim steps available so we can make incremental changes to our terror threat assessments as our situation worsens."

Federal police assured Australians everything was being done to keep the nation safe amid the heightened threats.

"The appropriate mechanisms for dealing with the increase in the terrorism alert - increasing our patrols, looking at security at airports - they're tried and tested and I'm comfortable that we'll be in a position to respond accordingly," Mr Gaughan said.

THE ACCUSED AND THE CHARGES:

Omar Succarieh, 31, from the Brisbane suburb of Kuraby

- To be charged with providing funds to the terrorist organisation Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria, under the Criminal Code Act of 1995

- To be charged with preparing incursions into Syria with the intention of engaging in hostile activity, under the Crimes (Foreign Incursions and Recruitment) Act 1978

A Boronia Heights man, 21

- To be charged with preparing incursions into Syria with the intention of engaging in hostile activities

- To be charged with recruiting persons to engage in hostile activities in Syria under the 1978 laws
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Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:16pm
 
et tu AFP Counter Terrorism Assistant Commissioner???

Spineless apologists simply everywhere
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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:18pm
 
Do you agree with him Gandalf?
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:38pm
 
Don’t you just love it?

A series of well publicised Federal Police raids over a crossbow - timed impeccably to go with the security level publicity - announced, of course, by none other than a flailing PM.

And now, the Counter Terrorism Unit are worried we might all take this a bit too far, and have come out to hose it down.

And even the Australian makes a token gesture to tow the line with this report - no doubt at the request of the Federal Police.

The Australian started the panic off in the first place. They’ll keep it going too - as long as Mr Abbott’s polls are suffering. What did Mr Abbott want? Sport and terrorism back on the front pages, wasn’t it?

Mr Abbott’s wish is News Ltd’s command, but as the AFP know, broadcasting security threats, real or fake, is not helpful to ongoing investigations or public security. They also have a tendency to become self-fulfilling prophesies.
The climate of panic today has a precedent: 2001. How much is manufactured, or how much is an actual response - the Tampa, the Cronulla Riots, the invasion of Iraq - all the result of media beat-ups and actual botched reports - we’ll never know.

At least with the next war, we should be fully aware of the process that leads to its creation.
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:18pm:
Do you agree with him Gandalf?


ِAbsolutely not.

The AFP statement should have mentioned that these devout muslims are merely following the commands of their hideous prophet. In addition they should have also condemned all the muslim leaders who spoke out against IS as "unislamic" - or taqqiya pratcitioners, one of the two.

That would have hosed things down just nicely right?
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 3:30pm
 
Who do you think he is fooling with that statement? Is he trying to trick terrorists into getting over it?
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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 3:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 3:30pm:
Who do you think he is fooling with that statement?


Not you thats for sure.

Of course it couldn't possibly be that he's trying to avoid alienating an entire community by tarring them all with the same brush - given that the first thing the authorities need in order to combat this threat is to have the islamic community on side.

I take it you would have opted for the "following their hideous prophet" statement? Do you think that would help the situation?
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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 3:41pm
 
I don't think telling a blatant and transparent lie will help the situation. I can't imagine anyone reading that article and no scratching their head when they got to that quote.
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Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 3:52pm
 
So presumably you've been scratching your head all this time Tony Abbott and his ministers have been repeating the same line over and over?

Unfortunately, most people haven't interrogated talked to Abu, and therefore don't have your deep and profound insights into islam.

I'm afraid that this is not widely known as a "blatant and transparent" lie in the Australian community. Good thing we have you to educate everyone though.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:04pm
 
You don't need a profound insight into Islam to baulk at a claim that terrorists recruiting from among Australia's Muslim community has nothing to do with Islam.

Do you agree that it is nothing to do with Islam?
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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Do you agree that it is nothing to do with Islam?


Your not listening FD - I already said it is 100% about muslims following the commands of their hideous prophet - to recruit believers to abandon their communities and travel to the other side of the world to behead non-believers - and that this "blatant and transparent" fact should be broadcast by the authorities as loudly as possible - to, you know, promote calm and stability in the community.

You must have been absolutely horrified when Tony Abbott said he refused to dignify ISIS with the name "Islamic State" because he thought it had no semblance to anything islamic.
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Reply #11 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Do you agree that it is nothing to do with Islam?


Your not listening FD - I already said it is 100% about muslims following the commands of their hideous prophet - to recruit believers to abandon their communities and travel to the other side of the world to behead non-believers - and that this "blatant and transparent" fact should be broadcast by the authorities as loudly as possible - to, you know, promote calm and stability in the community.


Good - that’s the spirit. We need to broadcast FD’s unanswered questions to Abu with the strongest means possible. We need to ensure every last one of these crossbow owners are caught and locked away.

More importantly, we need to catch every last one of those who wish to fight against the Assad regime.

Okay, last year it was our policy to assist them with weapons and air strikes, but we changed our mind. It’s a lover of Freeedom’s perogative to change his mind, you know.

Two down, thousands more to go. The AFP is onto it, but that’s no reason why people shouldn’t be alert and alarmed. Once we catch these people, the only right and proper thing to do is send them all to Manus Island.

STOP THE BOATS.
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Reply #12 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 5:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Do you agree that it is nothing to do with Islam?


Your not listening FD - I already said it is 100% about muslims following the commands of their hideous prophet - to recruit believers to abandon their communities and travel to the other side of the world to behead non-believers - and that this "blatant and transparent" fact should be broadcast by the authorities as loudly as possible - to, you know, promote calm and stability in the community.

You must have been absolutely horrified when Tony Abbott said he refused to dignify ISIS with the name "Islamic State" because he thought it had no semblance to anything islamic.

Jesuit education.
Google: taqqiya.

Everything they say and do is impeccably koranic and faithful to hadith.
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Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Do you agree that it is nothing to do with Islam?


Your not listening FD - I already said it is 100% about muslims following the commands of their hideous prophet - to recruit believers to abandon their communities and travel to the other side of the world to behead non-believers - and that this "blatant and transparent" fact should be broadcast by the authorities as loudly as possible - to, you know, promote calm and stability in the community.

You must have been absolutely horrified when Tony Abbott said he refused to dignify ISIS with the name "Islamic State" because he thought it had no semblance to anything islamic.

Jesuit education.
Google: taqqiya.

Everything they say and do is impeccably koranic and faithful to hadith.


Lutheran education, no?

I knew it.
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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Do you agree that it is nothing to do with Islam?


Your not listening FD - I already said it is 100% about muslims following the commands of their hideous prophet - to recruit believers to abandon their communities and travel to the other side of the world to behead non-believers - and that this "blatant and transparent" fact should be broadcast by the authorities as loudly as possible - to, you know, promote calm and stability in the community.

You must have been absolutely horrified when Tony Abbott said he refused to dignify ISIS with the name "Islamic State" because he thought it had no semblance to anything islamic.


Is this supposed to calm and reassure people Gandalf?
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