freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:


Not at all. It’s the most transparent act of Taqiyya I’ve seen here yet.

Abu just ignored you - as if that wasn’t bad enough. This one has the hyde to agree with you.

Another one for the Wiki, FD.

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That's one way of putting it. Do you agree with how he 'spun' it? Am I wrong to distinguish a blatant lie from some carefully chosen words of reassurance?

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It is the 'good' Muslims I (naively) keep expecting to reign in the bad ones - as recently as the past week. You seemed to think this was unfair.

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:


Yes you are.

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:


So you "expect" them to rein them in - all the while tripping over yourself to convince everyone that they are expert liars and practitioners of taqqiya, and that no muslim can escape the reality that the worst excesses of ISIS are actually commanded by The Prophet. So forgive me if I question the sincerity of this "expectation".

What has always intrigued me about the legacy of religious founders is that, even over their protests when alive, their eventual quasi-deification by their adherents is inevitable.

Christians did it formally at Christianity's relative infancy, but Muslims and even Buddhists have done the same (albeit informally) despite the fact that, respectively, Muhammad and Siddhartha both went to lengths to renounce any claim to divinity.

You'd probably get away with being angry at Allah more easily than if you 'insult the prophet'... In Thailand you can be arrested for showing disrespect to public statues of the Buddha.

It's apparent that the ardently religious, regardless of belief, have a sense of a more personal and direct relationship with religious founders than with the object / subject of the founders' focus.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 6:51am:


This is true North, and its due to a cult of the sunna/ahadith - which only emerged several hundred years after the death of The Prophet. It is indeed a curse on this religion, and can only be rectified by a rediscovery of islam's true source - the Quran - and an acknowledgement of the subordinate role of the ahadith.

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:


So, sanctioning pogroms now, FD?   

Australia has prescribed 19 terrorist organisations.
All 19 are Muslims organisations. One is a Kurdish separatist one, but Kurds are Muslims. So this single one is not a terrorist for Muslim purposes but is still an organisation of Muslims.
The other 18 are explicitly Islamic.


But the numpties and the dissemblers and the mendacious liars would have us believe that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

You look at the world today, the tensions, the wars, the deaths, the persecutions - it's overwhelmingly about Islam. With multiculturalism and mass migration, the bloody borders of Islam are everywhere.



The world is not suffering from the Mormons, the Presbiterians, the Jews, the Sikh, Shintoists, Taoists, Buddhists, Catholics, Anglicans and yes, Lutherans.

Islam is the answer to the question: 'what ails the world'?

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:


I am unclear on what exactly he means "has nothing to do with islam" - is it ISIS? Is it the raid?, or the criminal activity that was involved? From his statement that followed, I would say he is talking about people engaging in criminal activity - in which case I would agree - it has nothing to do with islam.

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:


No, this is about your hypocrisy, which you continue to dance around. How can you, with any sort of honesty, stand up and declare mainstream muslims must rein in the extremists, all the while mocking them as liars and taqqiya artists whenever they *DO* make calls against extremism and so forth?

Do you think the 'Muslims 4 Australia' bbq on the weekend was useful and commendable in this respect?