Not nothing, Soren.  I've never claimed that.  I have made the point that Islam is not monolithic, there are differing interpretations, therefore why do you assume that one interpretation is to blame for everything and therefore all Muslims guilty when they may well have differing interpretations and have nothing to do with what ever you're claiming?   

Using your logic, I am forced to return to the examples of Joseph Kony and Fred Phelps.   Obviously Christianity has everything to do with what they have said or done.  Right? 

I am unclear on what exactly he means "has nothing to do with islam" - is it ISIS? Is it the raid?, or the criminal activity that was involved?

From his statement that followed, I would say he is talking about people engaging in criminal activity - in which case I would agree - it has nothing to do with islam

No, this is about your hypocrisy, which you continue to dance around. How can you, with any sort of honesty, stand up and declare mainstream muslims must rein in the extremists, all the while mocking them as liars and taqqiya artists whenever they *DO* make calls against extremism and so forth?

Do you think the 'Muslims 4 Australia' bbq on the weekend was useful and commendable in this respect?

freediver wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 6:58pm:


Well, actually, FD it is.  It is the logic used by you and your Islamophobic compatriots.  It is an example of argumentum absurdium.  I take your logic and point out it's absurdity by supplying a simile which is obviously wrong.  However, it appears the subtlety is beyond you and you take it literally.  Sometimes its like casting pearls before swine.   

BTW, can you please stop including random quotes in the same message without the correct attribution?  It seems I'm saying things I haven't.   

Well, actually, FD it is.  It is the logic used by you and your Islamophobic compatriots.  It is an example of argumentum absurdium.  I take your logic and point out it's absurdity by supplying a simile which is obviously wrong.  However, it appears the subtlety is beyond you and you take it literally.  Sometimes its like casting pearls before swine.

BTW, can you please stop including random quotes in the same message without the correct attribution?  It seems I'm saying things I haven't.

You are big on empty demands FD, but you haven't explained exactly how they are supposed to be "reined in"

a particularly pertinent question given you routinely label as taqiyya and PR stunts

A friend of the British hostage being threatened with murder by Islamic State militants has made an impassioned videotaped plea to the group's leader in an attempt to save his life.

The appeal, in both Arabic and English and addressed directly to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who styles himself as caliph of the self-proclaimed state, was posted on YouTube Wednesday, four days after militants threatened to kill the aid convoy volunteer from north-west England.

The friend, who calls himself Abu Abdullah, is understood to have witnessed Alan Henning's abduction near Aleppo last December. After describing how the taxi driver from Greater Manchester – "a family man, a good man" – washed cars to raise money to buy medical equipment for Syrians, he breaks down, begging al-Baghdadi to spare his life.

"He felt safe, relaxed and happy, believing as we did that no harm could come to him, or us, while he was in the place under your care – especially because he was bringing much needed aid to the brothers and sisters in Syria." He begs al-Baghdadi to "honour our amana" – a pledge of safety that Henning had received from his Muslim friends – and set him free.

Henning, 47, who is married with two teenage children, volunteered to join his Muslim friends on the convoy last Christmas. It is thought to have been at least his second trip to Syria.

He and his friends were surrounded by armed men at a warehouse a short time after crossing the Turkish border on Boxing Day. He was separated from the group, according to accounts that some gave to journalists after they were released and returned to Britain, and taken away.

They and Henning's family remained silent about his plight, on the advice of the UK Foreign Office, until he appeared in the group's latest video last weekend.

Entitled A Message to the Allies of America, the film first shows David Haines, the Scottish aid worker, being forced to deliver a speech in which he blames his death upon David Cameron and Britain's relationship with the United States. It then depicts Haines's murder by beheading.

The killer is then shown holding Henning by the collar of the orange jumpsuit in which he is dressed. Indicating towards his captive with his knife, the killer says: "If you, Cameron, persist in fighting the Islamic State, then you, like your master Obama, will have the blood of your people on your hands."

As well as making the video appeal, Henning's friends released a clip in which Henning explains why he has decided to spend Christmas travelling to Syria.

He says that joining a Syrian aid convoy was "all worthwhile when you see what is needed actually get to where it needs to go. That makes it all worthwhile.

"No sacrifice we do is nothing compared to what they're going through every day on a daily basis."

Cage, an organisation founded by Moazzam Begg to campaign for the release of prisoners in Guantánamo Bay after his own release from the US military facility, described Henning's kidnapping as a contravention of Islamic law. Begg was himself charged with alleged terror offences relating to Syria earlier this year.

In a statement, Cage research director Asim Qureshi said: "Alan Henning is not involved in any hostility to Islam or Muslims. Therefore, he cannot be considered a prisoner of war under Islamic law and should be released immediately. We believe there are no grounds for holding Henning prisoner or executing him."

In his appeal, Abu Abdullah goes on: "Alan was moved by the suffering of the Syrian people, in particular the children. He devoted all his free time, raising money and awareness about the suffering. He washed cars to raise money, he collected aid, he talked to everybody he met about the crimes committed against the Muslims in Syria.

"In December last year he missed Christmas with his own family, to spend it helping our brothers and sisters in Syria. We all remember one night, on the journey to Syria, some brothers were so tired they wanted to get a hotel. But Alan said: 'No, not me, I'm going to sleep in the van, and the money I save, it can go towards the Syrian people.' This is the kind of man he was.

"He is a family man. He is a good man. Like you and like us, his only interest was helping to relieve the suffering of brothers and sisters in Syria. Please do not take his life to pay for the crimes that the international governments have committed. Alan ignored advice from the British government and took the risk to travel to Syria to help the people.

"We read every day about innocent brothers and sisters being killed in the air strikes, but this man is innocent of all these crimes. He has no affiliation with any political agenda.

"He has shown through his actions, and his love and concern for our brothers and sisters that he is not an enemy of Islam or the Islamic State. We plead with you to show him compassion and mercy as he showed compassion and mercy for the Muslims of Syria."

Finally, he says: "We beg you to tread the path of justice and show him the compassion that Allah, praise be upon him, placed in the hearts of the believers and in your heart.

"Please show the world how merciful Muslims can be. We know you're not scared of the creation, only the Creator, so please, please, please release Alan."

Quote me.

Quote:


No, what they make clear is that extremism and violence of the wrong type, with the wrong timing, or without their approval is rejected, but usually still justified or excused.

An example - Muslim mothers dobbing in their sons. According to the newspaper this stopped about 40 of them going overseas to wage Jihad and rape Kurds. Apparently they are the ones getting arrested now for planning local terrorist attacks, despite knowing they were under surveillance (pretty dumb hey?). To me, that is a lot more useful than a BBQ to convince people they have nothing to fear from the Muslim community, while armed guards mind the perimeter in case something happens.

You left out a few minor details Gandalf. There is far more evidence than that. For example, there is the word of your prophet. I know you make a bold effort to reinterpret his words