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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #15 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain? Also, what criticism of Islam is not 'islamophobic rant' in your eyes? Do you have an example?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95326 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #16 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:45am Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am: Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain? Also, what criticism of Islam is not 'islamophobic rant' in your eyes? Do you have an example? You can’t criticize homos. That’s verboten. Tabouli is fair game. Go for it.
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Reply #17 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:47am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

You seem to be contradicting yourself, Y.

Perhaps you need to go away and have a rethink of your position on the issue of Freedom of Speech? Roll Eyes

brian,

I am not contradicting myself.

Actually, you are, as I've demonstrated.

You HAVE NOT demonstrated a puppy dog.

You could not demonstrate your way out of a wet paper bag.

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Reply #18 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

yes, but publically what can they say ?

"Currently there is a virulent form of Islam that is raging across the Middle East which has a certain delinquent appeal for some of our Muslim youths".

What these national leaders should not be saying is that what we're seeing has no relevance to Koranic text and the Islamic religion.

The many sects of the Christian religion differ in the emphasis they place upon certain text in the Bible, and in just the same way is ISIS a legitimate expression of Islam in that it finds its authority in certain text of Islam's sacred writings.

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Reply #19 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

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I know what my position on Freedom of Speech is.

Freedom of Speech, is good [where it is NOT abused, to include, for example, incitement to violence].

Excellent, excellent, Y. Well considered. I claim David Irving (who, unlike you, I have actually heard speak) and Robert Spencer (who I admit I haven't but going on what I've read) incite others to violence.

Therefore they don't deserve freedom of speech any more than those Muslims who incite others to violence, right?

Wrong again, brian.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Brian,

I have not heard, or read much of what David Irving has uttered.

But i am very familiar with what Robert Spencer has often stated, relating to what ISLAM is.

And i have NEVER, EVER, heard or read of Robert Spencer inciting violence against others.

WHEREAS;
Moslems who hear and read what Robert Spencer says, often go apoplectic, they [moslems] get angry, and they [moslems] choose murder people, because they [moslems] are angry.

Robert Spencer did not incite those moslems to violence.

If Robert Spencer told moslems that there are birds flying in the sky, they [moslems] would get angry[/u][/b], and they [moslems] would choose murder people, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT Robert Spencer HAS TO SAY ABOUT BIRDS FLYING IN THE SKY.

Brian,

Moslems, ALL MOSLEMS, ARE WANNA-BE MURDERS.

Murdering people makes moslems believe that they are fulfilling the reason for living.

Murdering people makes moslems happy - because all moslems are potential homicidal maniacs.

Surveys of moslem communities in the UK have recorded large percentages of the UK moslem community saying that any moslem who abandons ISLAM

Moslems, ALL MOSLEMS, ARE WANNA-BE MURDERS

- killing people makes moslems believe that they are fulfilling the reason for living !!!!

IMAGE....

Happy moslems, because they are doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah's cause, by killing apostates.

MURDERING PEOPLE GIVES MOSLEMS A 'RELIGIOUS' THRILL.

IT IS BECAUSE MANY, MANY MOSLEMS ARE WANNA-BE HOMICIDAL MANIACS.

THAT IS WHAT ISLAM, PUTS INTO THE HUMAN PSYCHE.

IT IS WHAT ISLAM, PUTS INTO THE HEART OF EVERY HUMAN BEING WHO EMBRACES, ISLAM.

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Please watch this YT...

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Reply #20 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:24am

Yadda wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

MURDERING PEOPLE GIVES MOSLEMS A 'RELIGIOUS' THRILL.

IT IS BECAUSE MANY, MANY MOSLEMS ARE WANNA-BE HOMICIDAL MANIACS.

THAT IS WHAT ISLAM, PUTS INTO THE HUMAN PSYCHE.

IT IS WHAT ISLAM, PUTS INTO THE HEART OF EVERY HUMAN BEING WHO EMBRACES, ISLAM.

SUPPORTING EVIDENCE, FOR MY ASSERTION ABOVE.....

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Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).
"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."
......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrine, promotes, justifies and makes lawful, any violence and every death, during 'Jihad operations' conducted by the moslem in 'Allah's cause'.

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Reply #21 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

yes, but publically what can they say ?

"Currently there is a virulent form of Islam that is raging across the Middle East which has a certain delinquent appeal for some of our Muslim youths".

What these national leaders should not be saying is that what we're seeing has no relevance to Koranic text and the Islamic religion.

The many sects of the Christian religion differ in the emphasis they place upon certain text in the Bible,

and in just the same way is ISIS a legitimate expression of Islam in that it finds its authority in certain text of Islam's sacred writings.

Herbert,

There is only one ISLAM, Koran.

FURTHER ASSERTIONS TO THIS FACT, in a recent YT video on this exact same issue.....

Bill Maher Battles Charlie Rose on Why Islam is More Dangerous than Other Religions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw

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Reply #22 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:03am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

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Regarding Freedom of Speech....

These people [below] were NOT exercising Freedom of Speech.

They were inciting people, to commit murder!

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http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Couldn't agree more, Y. However, those were only a small number of Muslims.

The majority disagreed with their views

and made that evident after the demonstration had finished. Right?

Brian,

PROVE IT.

Brian,

How can you prove if a person is speaking the truth or not ?

How can you tell what is in a persons heart ?

In my experience you can only do this by listening to what they speak, AND THEN, watching their behaviour, to see if the way that they behave, agrees with how they have previously spoken.

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However, if you think they should be silenced then so should David Irving and Robert Spencer because they are inciting violence, right?

Wrong!

I don't know about David Irving.

But i don't want to silence a person like Robert Spencer, because moslems choose to get apoplectic, whenever they hear him speak.

If - MURDEROUS - moslems don't want to HEAR what persons like Robert Spencer has to say then they should leave Australia.

That is my opinion.

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"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"

IMO, moslems should - GO AWAY, LEAVE AUSTRALIA - and express such views, within a Sharia jurisdiction.
.....in a place where such views are appropriate.

THIS [image below] DOES NOT BELONG IN AUSTRALIA, ON 'THE AUSTRALIAN STREET'

'PROTESTATIONS' LIKE THESE [image below], BELONG ONLY WITHIN SHARIA JURISDICTIONS, imo.

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

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Reply #23 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:05am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

yes, but publically what can they say ?

"Currently there is a virulent form of Islam that is raging across the Middle East which has a certain delinquent appeal for some of our Muslim youths".

What these national leaders should not be saying is that what we're seeing has no relevance to Koranic text and the Islamic religion.

The many sects of the Christian religion differ in the emphasis they place upon certain text in the Bible, and in just the same way is ISIS a legitimate expression of Islam in that it finds its authority in certain text of Islam's sacred writings.

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Reply #24 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:21am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews?

They are lovely people, who are on the path.

They are not moslems.

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They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

God knows. Wink

All i know brian, is that all whoremongers [the unfaithful] and all liars, are for the hot place.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God's word is true.

That is how i know, that not a single infidel [the unfaithful, aka as the 'moslem'] will be redeemed by God, from this place.

Psalms 119:103
How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Luke 1:79
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

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Reply #26 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

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Regarding Freedom of Speech....

These people [below] were NOT exercising Freedom of Speech.

They were inciting people, to commit murder!

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Couldn't agree more, Y. However, those were only a small number of Muslims.

The majority disagreed with their views

and made that evident after the demonstration had finished. Right?

Brian,

PROVE IT.

Brian,

How can you prove if a person is speaking the truth or not ?

How can you tell what is in a persons heart ?

In my experience you can only do this by listening to what they speak, AND THEN, watching their behaviour, to see if the way that they behave, agrees with how they have previously spoken.

Exactly. By his own measure, Y is a taqiyya-practicing jihadist.

Freeeedom, go to hell!

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Reply #28 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 7:43pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

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Regarding Freedom of Speech....

These people [below] were NOT exercising Freedom of Speech.

They were inciting people, to commit murder!

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Couldn't agree more, Y. However, those were only a small number of Muslims.

The majority disagreed with their views

and made that evident after the demonstration had finished. Right?

Brian,

PROVE IT.

Brian,

How can you prove if a person is speaking the truth or not ?

How can you tell what is in a persons heart ?

In my experience you can only do this by listening to what they speak, AND THEN, watching their behaviour, to see if the way that they behave, agrees with how they have previously spoken.

Exactly. By his own measure, Y is a taqiyya-practicing jihadist.

Freeeedom, go to hell!

Yes, K.

That is exactly what ISLAM calls for.

Moslems are those who submit to Allah.

And Allah calls for the murder of all non-moselms.

And the devout moslem works for his empowerment and his own opportunity to please Allah.

And our own political leaders, people like Tony Abbott, and Barrack Obama, and David Cameron ARE ACTUALLY FACILITATING THE RISE OF GROUPS LIKE ISIS.

ISIS is largely made up of moslem emigres who have from Western nations.

ISIS is a creature of the West's own making.

Give the gift of freedoms to moslems, and what you get is ISIS!

Empower moslems, and what you get is ISIS!

Idiot policy makers in teh West want to empower the members of a criminal organisation [ISLAM], moslems, with the freedoms which they [moslems] only know how to abuse - because that is what ISLAM has taught the moslem to do with political power and political freedom.

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"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"

We [the nations of the Western hemisphere] are in this 'situation' [with ISIS] because Western political leaders and idiot policy makers even now, are refusing to associate ISLAM with the violence that is 'expressed' by moslems.

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UK immigration minister: Beheading of aid worker “nothing to do with Islam”
Sep 15, 2014

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/uk-immigration-minister-beheading-of-aid-worke...

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Islamic State threatens to kill British aid worker who thought his work for Muslim charity would save him
Robert Spencer Sep 15, 2014

This is one of the fundamental fallacies of the West’s entire approach to the global jihad.

Western analysts and policymakers persist in the delusion that their concessions and acts of kindness will meet with reciprocal acts of kindness from Islamic supremacists and jihadists.

This is not, in fact, the case. Instead, they’re just seen as signs of weakness, and regarded with contempt.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/islamic-state-threatens-to-kill-british-aid-wo...

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Reply #29 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:41pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

This is Yadda defined. Grin

Why is it bigoted to disagree with an ideology?
Is it bigoted to think that Marxism is a crock, or that Scientology, woodoo, KKK complete nonsense and have had wholly negative effects on the world and anyone who fervently believe in these ideologies is fundamentally wrong?
Some people have that view of Islam and those fervently believe in it. They have well-formed reasons for their opposition.
Your bombastic parroting of 'bigot, bigot, bigot' just shows that you are utterly incapable of arguing for any of the good things that you may perceive in Islam. Tell us what good has it brought, how it makes the world a better place, rather than parrot that you have no clue.

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