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Reply #30 - Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

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Also, what criticism of Islam is not 'islamophobic rant' in your eyes? Do you have an example?

When your criticism takes into account that Islam is not unique in many of the things you claim about it, Soren. There are no examples because you have never provided any. Gandalf has criticised Islam without being Islamophobic. You appear unable to. Roll Eyes

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Reply #31 - Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:08am

Yadda wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

You seem to be contradicting yourself, Y.

Perhaps you need to go away and have a rethink of your position on the issue of Freedom of Speech? Roll Eyes

brian,

I am not contradicting myself.

Actually, you are, as I've demonstrated.

You HAVE NOT demonstrated a puppy dog.

You could not demonstrate your way out of a wet paper bag.

Yes, Y, what ever you say. The rest of us who aren't delusional know differently. I demonstrated that you apply one rule for non-Muslims and another for Muslims. Tsk, tsk. Such rank hypocrisy. Roll Eyes

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Reply #32 - Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:14am

Yadda wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews?

They are lovely people, who are on the path.

They are not moslems.

Nope, no bias there, none at all, Y. Roll Eyes

You do realise that many of the attitudes you ascribe to all Muslims pertain equally to Hindus and Orthodox Jews and even evangelical Christians, particularly their treatment of and attitude to, women? Yet, you've give them a "lovely people" card. Roll Eyes

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They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

God knows. Wink

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Who is God? Roll Eyes

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All i know brian, is that all whoremongers [the unfaithful] and all liars, are for the hot place.

Interesting that you describe Hell as "hot", Y. Did you know that the word "hell" derives from the Norse goddess of the underworld's name, "Hel"? Her underworld was a frozen hell. Interesting contrast, isn't it? Grin

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Reply #33 - Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

I am asking you, Brain, as you asserted that he incites violence. He does not.

The Home Office was worried about 'intercommunity violence' - the kind we have seen in response to books, films, cartoons, in a word, ideas. And it isn't the Presbyterians that go apeshite about criticism of their ideology.

You throw around these kind accusations like a madwoman her underwear.

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Reply #34 - Sep 17^th, 2014 at 9:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

You seem to be contradicting yourself, Y.

Perhaps you need to go away and have a rethink of your position on the issue of Freedom of Speech? Roll Eyes

brian,

I am not contradicting myself.

Actually, you are, as I've demonstrated.

You HAVE NOT demonstrated a puppy dog.

You could not demonstrate your way out of a wet paper bag.

Yes, Y, what ever you say. The rest of us who aren't delusional know differently. I demonstrated that you apply one rule for non-Muslims and another for Muslims. Tsk, tsk. Such rank hypocrisy. Roll Eyes

Yes, BR, but Y's a Karmic Khristian.

He's forgiven.

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Reply #35 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:16am

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

I am asking you, Brain, as you asserted that he incites violence. He does not.

The Home Office was worried about 'intercommunity violence' - the kind we have seen in response to books, films, cartoons, in a word, ideas. And it isn't the Presbyterians that go apeshite about criticism of their ideology.

You throw around these kind accusations like a madwoman her underwear.

Soren, how do you think this presence, along with what he says, would cause "intercommunity violence" except by "inciting violence"? The British government ruling was sufficient for me. The man is obviously as bad as David Irving, fomenting intolerance and hatred. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

I am asking you, Brain, as you asserted that he incites violence. He does not.

The Home Office was worried about 'intercommunity violence' - the kind we have seen in response to books, films, cartoons, in a word, ideas. And it isn't the Presbyterians that go apeshite about criticism of their ideology.

You throw around these kind accusations like a madwoman her underwear.

Soren, how do you think this presence, along with what he says, would cause "intercommunity violence" except by "inciting violence"?

The same way cartoons in Denmark incite violence in the Muslim world, the same way videos on YouTube incite violence and can get you killed, as writing a book can send you into hiding from murderous muslims. Criticising Islam results in violence by the followers of the religion of peace.
Now there's a paradox.

Theresa May made the UK bow to that sort of threat of violence by Muslims, the threat of violent response to criticism by Spencer.

Your attempt to draw a parallel between Irvine and Spencer is, once again, absurd as is your attempt to compare either of them to Muslims who, unlike either of the two, incite violence and commit violence in response to the expression of ideas that criticise or ridicule or skewer Islam.

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Reply #37 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

I am asking you, Brain, as you asserted that he incites violence. He does not.

The Home Office was worried about 'intercommunity violence' - the kind we have seen in response to books, films, cartoons, in a word, ideas. And it isn't the Presbyterians that go apeshite about criticism of their ideology.

You throw around these kind accusations like a madwoman her underwear.

Soren, how do you think this presence, along with what he says, would cause "intercommunity violence" except by "inciting violence"? The British government ruling was sufficient for me. The man is obviously as bad as David Irving,

fomenting intolerance and hatred.

Brian,

You are - NOT - describing Robert Spencer.

[Robert Spencer is merely a correspondent, who has described the intolerance and hatred which he has found, within ISLAM and within ISLAM's foundation texts.]

Brian,

IN YOUR POST, you are describing ISLAM, the philosophy which all moslems subscribe to.

....as is evidenced, below;

THE KORAN;[/b]

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Reply #38 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

I am asking you, Brain, as you asserted that he incites violence. He does not.

The Home Office was worried about 'intercommunity violence' - the kind we have seen in response to books, films, cartoons, in a word, ideas. And it isn't the Presbyterians that go apeshite about criticism of their ideology.

You throw around these kind accusations like a madwoman her underwear.

Soren, how do you think this presence, along with what he says, would cause "intercommunity violence" except by "inciting violence"? The British government ruling was sufficient for me. The man is obviously as bad as David Irving,

fomenting intolerance and hatred. Roll Eyes

Brian,

You are - NOT - describing Robert Spencer.

Maybe I'm not, Y. Perhaps I should use the language that the article HB discovered uses? "Liar" springs to mind. As does "deceiver", fomenter of "intolerance and hatred", "Islamophobe", can you find any others in that article, Y?
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Reply #39 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:38am

Last night i saw a TV news report of Julie Bishop addressing the Security Council, in New York.

I saw Julie Bishop 'dancing around the truth', but i saw Julie Bishop clearly refusing to 'touch the truth' !

In the TV news report Julie Bishop said that the terror suspects, that had been the subject of the raids by ASIO and Police in Sydney and Brisbane last week, were inspired by ISIS/IS [in Syria and Iraq] !!

That statement is a complete distortion of the truth of the matter.

The truth of the matter, is that this group of ISIS/IS members in Sydney and Brisbane are inspired to action - by ISLAM - by what the foundation texts of ISLAM teach to all moslems.

Which is enmity, and never ending warfare, against all disbelievers [e.g. all Australians]!

ISIS/IS and ISLAM, will never be defeated, thwarted, until persons in high office in this country, like Julie Bishop, are prepared to stop 'dancing around the truth' and are willing to confront what ISLAM is, and how ISLAM is inspiring these moslems.

And the truth is, that those terror suspects [who had been in communication with ISIS/IS cadres in Syria and Iraq], who had been subject of the raids by ASIO and Police in Sydney and Brisbane last week, were themselves, ISIS/IS cadres - WHO ARE LIVING WITHIN AUSTRALIA!

And the truth is, that those ISIS/IS cadres [in Sydney and Brisbane] are living within Australia [and are using Australia as a safe refuge!!!, courtesy of naive Australian citizens!!!], in exactly the same way that the 'Australian' members of ISIS/IS now resident in Syria and Iraq, also, once lived in Australia [and once, also, used Australia as a safe refuge]!

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THE NEVER-ENDING ENMITY [HATRED FOR] NON-MOSLEMS, WHICH ISLAM TEACHES TO THE MOSLEM [CHILD]

All devout moslems [including moslem children] know that moslems are obligated to eternal enmity towards 'disbelievers', and - ALL MOSLEMS KNOW - that the moslem is engaged in a never-ending 'religious' war against all non-moslems, and against all non-moslem jurisdictions.

e.g. HERE IS SOME OF THE 'INSPIRATION' FOR THAT WAR, FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES;

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari #001.002.026

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels,.......Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion....."

...Osama Bin Laden

November 10, 2008
Raymond Ibrahim: "Islam's Doctrines of Deception"
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"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us -- till you believe in Allah alone’ [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility -- that is, battle -- ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [i.e., taqiyya]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them" (from The Al Qaeda Reader).
.....It bears repeating that this hostile world view is well supported by all of Islam’s schools of jurisprudence."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim-islams-doctrines-of-deception....

n.b. the words....

".....But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy!"

Translation....

If the hatred for non-moslems, at any time extinguishes from the heart of a moslem, "this is great apostasy!"

i.e.
The moslem can only be a sincere moslem, i.e. a REAL moslem, if he maintains a burning, never-ending HATRED [open or concealed] for all non-moslems.

!!!

AND, this never-ending and - lawful - HATRED by the moslem, for all non-moslems, is established and is given authority, within the inerrant Koran;

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Julie Bishop.

You are being poorly advised.

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

Moslems lying to, and deceiving 'disbelievers', is the 'soft' component of the moslem Jihad [religious fighting against 'disbelievers'].

And it is clear that many political leaders in the West, like Julie Bishop [because the have been persuaded to take 'advice' [about ISLAMIC 'issues'] from members of the moslem community!], are 'confused', about the true nature and the true character of ISLAM.

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Reply #41 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Can you give ONE example of Spencer inciting violence, Brain?

Ask the UK Government, Soren. They're the ones who banned it from travelling to the UK.

I am asking you, Brain, as you asserted that he incites violence. He does not.

The Home Office was worried about 'intercommunity violence' - the kind we have seen in response to books, films, cartoons, in a word, ideas. And it isn't the Presbyterians that go apeshite about criticism of their ideology.

You throw around these kind accusations like a madwoman her underwear.

Soren, how do you think this presence, along with what he says, would cause "intercommunity violence" except by "inciting violence"? The British government ruling was sufficient for me. The man is obviously as bad as David Irving,

fomenting intolerance and hatred. Roll Eyes

Brian,

You are - NOT - describing Robert Spencer.

Maybe I'm not, Y. Perhaps I should use the language that the article HB discovered uses? "Liar" springs to mind. As does "deceiver", fomenter of "intolerance and hatred", "Islamophobe", can you find any others in that article, Y?

What makes that article more credible in your eyes than an article by Spencer?
I have not seen you refute anything he has said.

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Reply #42 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:22pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:40pm:

What makes that article more credible in your eyes than an article by Spencer?

Perhaps because it critically examines what he says and does? Spencer making money out of your fear. Are you happy about that? Does it make you question his motives, even a little, Soren? Roll Eyes

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I have not seen you refute anything he has said.

Why should I? I am merely going by the determination of the UK Government, Soren. Take it up with them, I'd suggest. Roll Eyes

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Reply #43 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews? They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

A belief ONLY held by adherents of the Christian scriptures

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

JC

John 14:6

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Reply #44 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:30pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews? They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

A belief ONLY held by adherents of the Christian scriptures

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

JC

John 14:6

Jesus is the truth.

No one comes to the Father except through the truth.

John 18:37
Jesus answered,......To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jesus is the manifestation of truth.

Truth, as the concept.

Of what is real.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Do you believe that this world, is real ?

Men do.

LOL

This world is transitory.

But men know better.

What is real ?

Truth.

'Realer' than this world!

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