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Reply #45 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

yes, but publically what can they say ?

"Currently there is a virulent form of Islam that is raging across the Middle East which has a certain delinquent appeal for some of our Muslim youths".

What these national leaders should not be saying is that what we're seeing has no relevance to Koranic text and the Islamic religion.

The many sects of the Christian religion differ in the emphasis they place upon certain text in the Bible, and in just the same way is ISIS a legitimate expression of Islam in that it finds its authority in certain text of Islam's sacred writings.

very good posting

Ver y good. And a lot of work has gone into it, too.

A question if I may, Y. If ISIS is so.Islamic, why has every Moslem organization in Australia come out to condemn it?

And why are 7 Moslem countries taking turns to bomb it?

Is it all just a cunning ruse? Is it an example of the much Googled Taqiyya?

I’m curious.

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Reply #46 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:54pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews? They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

A belief ONLY held by adherents of the Christian scriptures

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

JC

John 14:6

there's a bit more to it than that.
I am inferring that you are saying "only Christians go to heaven". If so, I disagree.

After death, a good buddist or agnostic can enter heaven via Jesus.

"you will be judged by what you have been given."

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Reply #47 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:55pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews? They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

A belief ONLY held by adherents of the Christian scriptures

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

JC

John 14:6

Jesus is the truth.

No one comes to the Father except through the truth.

John 18:37
Jesus answered,......To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

What is the truth ?

The truth is purity.

The truth is what is, holy.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411518688/11#11
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When free men, give the gift of freedom to moslems, what you get back from moslems, is ISIS!

It is true!

Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 14:16
A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Evil and truth, are incompatible.

ISLAM and truth, are incompatible.

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James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....

Who is 'holy', and who is not holy ?

Who is vile, in God's eyes ?

Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

Hmmmm.

The 'chosen' ones!

Grin

I wonder what that could be alluding to ??? Wink

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Reply #48 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:08pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

A question if I may, Y. If ISIS is so.Islamic, why has every Moslem organization in Australia come out to condemn it?

And why are 7 Moslem countries taking turns to bomb it?

Is it all just a cunning ruse? Is it an example of the much Googled Taqiyya?

I’m curious.

You are not aware of the rich history of Muslims killing other Muslims? Never heard of enemy of my enemy and all that?

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Reply #49 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:14pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

yes, but publically what can they say ?

"Currently there is a virulent form of Islam that is raging across the Middle East which has a certain delinquent appeal for some of our Muslim youths".

What these national leaders should not be saying is that what we're seeing has no relevance to Koranic text and the Islamic religion.

The many sects of the Christian religion differ in the emphasis they place upon certain text in the Bible, and in just the same way is ISIS a legitimate expression of Islam in that it finds its authority in certain text of Islam's sacred writings.

very good posting

Ver y good. And a lot of work has gone into it, too.

A question if I may, Y. If ISIS is so.Islamic, why has every Moslem organization in Australia come out to condemn it?

And why are 7 Moslem countries taking turns to bomb it?

Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group.

There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died.

Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM.

And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians.

The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!!

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

And so it is, with every moslem group.

Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM.

And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US.

It is true!

WAKE UP.i

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Is it all just a cunning ruse? Is it an example of the much Googled Taqiyya?

I’m curious.

No.

You are a hater of what is true.

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Reply #50 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:24pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:14pm:

Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group.

There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died.

Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM.

And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians.

The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!!

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

And so it is, with every moslem group.

Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM.

And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US.

It is true!

WAKE UP.

FOR EXAMPLE,

look at the two distinct ISLAMIC groups that are at war with each other in Yemen, today.

Google;
yemen houthi

Google;
Shia insurgency in Yemen

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95326 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #52 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:41pm Yes, Y, but why are Moslem leaders saying ISIS is unIslamic? This isn’t Tony Abbott, Barrak Obama and David Cameron. It’s Moslem leaders themselves. I’m interested in the truth here. Are Moslems lying about what is Islamic? I’d like to know what you think.
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Reply #53 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:56pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Yes, Y, but

why are Moslem leaders saying ISIS is unIslamic?

This isn’t Tony Abbott, Barrak Obama and David Cameron. It’s Moslem leaders themselves.

I’m interested in the truth here.

Are Moslems lying about what is Islamic?

I’d like to know what you think.

Hmmmmm.

It beats me, K!

I'm just a dumb non-moslem, who knows nothing about ISLAM, and about what moslems believe.

What do you think K ?

Mr Curious.

Is ISIS following Mohammed's example ????

Islamic State jihadis justify child marriage by invoking Muhammad’s example

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/islamic-state-jihadis-justify-child-marriage-b...

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Reply #54 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 12:12am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews? They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

A belief ONLY held by adherents of the Christian scriptures

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

JC

John 14:6

there's a bit more to it than that.
I am inferring that you are saying "only Christians go to heaven". If so, I disagree.

After death, a good buddist or agnostic can enter heaven via Jesus.

"you will be judged by what you have been given."

I do think you’re right, Sprint. It makes no sense to me that someone who spent their whole life helping others and becoming wise and opening their hearts and minds to all that is great would be sent to hell for all eternity based on no more than an intellectual allegiance or a religious brand.

We might be petty. But God is great.

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Reply #55 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 12:21am

Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Yes, Y, but

why are Moslem leaders saying ISIS is unIslamic?

This isn’t Tony Abbott, Barrak Obama and David Cameron. It’s Moslem leaders themselves.

I’m interested in the truth here.

Are Moslems lying about what is Islamic?

I’d like to know what you think.

Hmmmmm.

It beats me, K!

I'm just a dumb non-moslem, who knows nothing about ISLAM, and about what moslems believe.

What do you think K ?

I think that if Moslems almost universally condemn ISIS and falsify their faatwas and engage in a military campaign to destroy it then maybe they think ISIS is unIslamic.

Unless, as a non-Moslem who knows nothing about Islam and about what Moslems believe, you speak on some form of authority within Islam.

It might be a bit close to call at this stage, Y.

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Reply #56 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 6:56am

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

I think that if Moslems almost universally condemn ISIS

and falsify their faatwas and engage in a military campaign to destroy it then maybe they think ISIS is unIslamic.

Unless, as a non-Moslem who knows nothing about Islam and about what Moslems believe, you speak on some form of authority within Islam.

K,

Yeah.

I can see where you are coming from.

Keyser Trad said...
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“They [ISIS] have nothing to do with Islam,” he said. “No matter what they proclaim.”

“There is nothing holy about that war… Muslim leaders from all around the world have condemned that group as being a brutal bunch of thugs and murderers.”

“We should not give them labels they enjoy, we should just label them as brutal thugs and murderers – and this is what they are.”

“This group is not representative of Islam, they have nothing to do with Islam, they are just after their own political agenda,” Trad continued. “They are now using children which is very shocking and appalling… and deserves every condemnation.”

http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/does-isis-represent-islam/

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

K,

Google; Taqiyya

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411000819/1#1

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Jordanian politician: Islamic State’s “doctrine stems from the Qur’an and Sunnah”… “There is no such thing as ‘ISIS ideology’ — it’s Islam”
Sep 10, 2014

Wherever Muhammad Bayoudh Al-Tamimi is located, he should expect a knock on his door, and Barack Obama, David Cameron, Philip Hammond, Yvette Cooper, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Rev. Professor David Thomas, and a host of other non-Muslims to walk in and explain to him that he is misunderstanding Islam, and that the Islamic State has nothing whatsoever to do with the genuine article.

.....There needs to be a public discussion about this dichotomy and how it came about, and whose position is better represented among Muslim populations worldwide, as well as in light of Islamic tradition, theology and law. But that would require some honesty and balance in the public square, which doesn’t appear to be on the horizon.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/jordanian-politician-islamic-states-doctrine-s...

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It might be a bit close to call at this stage, Y.

Yeah, i see what you mean.

Amongst all of the moslem lies and the moslem deception, it is difficult to know, what it all means.

Isn't it, K !!!!!

But one thing is fer sure, K;

'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95326 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #57 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:04am Taqiyya, eh? Do you mean they’re pretending to bomb ISIS? I’m confused.
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Reply #58 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:40am

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Taqiyya, eh?

Do you mean they’re pretending to bomb ISIS?

I’m confused.

Mr Confused, eh ?

And here is me, Yadda, thinking that you, were Mr Curious.

Always remember, K.....

'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

Within Australia...

06 May 2007
Mosque violence Tensions boil over after move to replace imam
Paul Maley
A BITTER factional feud within Canberra's Islamic community has erupted into violence with a leading member being punched repeatedly in the grounds of the mosque at Yarralumla.
Secretary of the ACT Islamic Society Kurt Kennedy said he was set upon shortly after announcing the appointment of a new imam to replace the controversial Mohammed Swaiti.
He was assaulted while waiting on the mosque grounds for a lift home after announcing Mr Swaiti had been dumped and naming the new imam as Yahya Atay.
......"When our secretary Kurt Kennedy announced ... the new imam will deliver the [Friday speech] before prayer, two people jumped up and grabbed Kurt and pushed him around," he told the Canberra Sunday Times.
"They pushed him and wanted to throw him out of the mosque.
"Then the imam [Mr Swaiti] started screaming in the middle of the mosque, 'I am the imam of this mosque! I am the imam who will service you people! I will never step down! No one can force me to step down! I will be here until the day I die!"'
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=582042&category=General

Allah Akbar!!!! Allah Akbar!!!! Allah Akbar!!!!

Outspoken Muslim seeks police protection [after he received threats from, ....muslims]

March 22, 2007
One of Australia's most important Muslim leaders has sought police protection after criticising controversial cleric Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali.
Tom Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association - and Sheikh Hilali's employer - said he received non-stop phone threats yesterday after he released a document urging greater integration and for Muslims to "mend their ways".
The report, prepared for a national meeting of imams in Sydney this weekend, says some Muslims are "ruining it" for all and that Australians have "had enough" of Muslims.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/outspoken-muslim-seeks-police-protection/2007/03/21/1174153164032.html

The links are old, but these news reports are kosher.

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