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Reply #60 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:33am

Yadda wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Taqiyya, eh?

Do you mean they’re pretending to bomb ISIS?

I’m confused.

Mr Confused, eh ?

And here is me, Yadda, thinking that you, were Mr Curious.

Always remember, K.....

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Within Australia...

06 May 2007
Mosque violence Tensions boil over after move to replace imam
Paul Maley
A BITTER factional feud within Canberra's Islamic community has erupted into violence with a leading member being punched repeatedly in the grounds of the mosque at Yarralumla.
Secretary of the ACT Islamic Society Kurt Kennedy said he was set upon shortly after announcing the appointment of a new imam to replace the controversial Mohammed Swaiti.
He was assaulted while waiting on the mosque grounds for a lift home after announcing Mr Swaiti had been dumped and naming the new imam as Yahya Atay.
......"When our secretary Kurt Kennedy announced ... the new imam will deliver the [Friday speech] before prayer, two people jumped up and grabbed Kurt and pushed him around," he told the Canberra Sunday Times.
"They pushed him and wanted to throw him out of the mosque.
"Then the imam [Mr Swaiti] started screaming in the middle of the mosque, 'I am the imam of this mosque! I am the imam who will service you people! I will never step down! No one can force me to step down! I will be here until the day I die!"'
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=582042&category=General

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Outspoken Muslim seeks police protection [after he received threats from, ....muslims]

March 22, 2007
One of Australia's most important Muslim leaders has sought police protection after criticising controversial cleric Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali.
Tom Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association - and Sheikh Hilali's employer - said he received non-stop phone threats yesterday after he released a document urging greater integration and for Muslims to "mend their ways".
The report, prepared for a national meeting of imams in Sydney this weekend, says some Muslims are "ruining it" for all and that Australians have "had enough" of Muslims.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/outspoken-muslim-seeks-police-protection/2007/03/21/1174153164032.html

The links are old, but these news reports are kosher.

Thanks Y, but your article predates the creation of ISIS.

I'd like to ask again - how is bombing ISIS an act of Taqiyya? Surely I don't need to convert to Islam to find this out.

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Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi
Reply #61 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 12:08pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Yes, Y, but

why are Moslem leaders saying ISIS is unIslamic?

This isn’t Tony Abbott, Barrak Obama and David Cameron. It’s Moslem leaders themselves.

I’m interested in the truth here.

Are Moslems lying about what is Islamic?

I’d like to know what you think.

Hmmmmm.

It beats me, K!

I'm just a dumb non-moslem, who knows nothing about ISLAM, and about what moslems believe.

Yet, you're always telling us the reverse, Yadda. Why? Grin

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Reply #63 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Yes, Y, but why are Moslem leaders saying ISIS is unIslamic?

This isn’t Tony Abbott, Barrak Obama and David Cameron. It’s Moslem leaders themselves.

I’m interested in the truth here. Are Moslems lying about what is Islamic?

I’d like to know what you think.

ISIS' first priority - above destroying Israel even - is to get rid of the hypocrits among them. Calling other Muslims unIslamic and trying to kill them for it is part and parcel of Islam. Even Muhammed did it.

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Reply #64 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Yes, Y, but why are Moslem leaders saying ISIS is unIslamic?

This isn’t Tony Abbott, Barrak Obama and David Cameron. It’s Moslem leaders themselves.

I’m interested in the truth here. Are Moslems lying about what is Islamic?

I’d like to know what you think.

ISIS' first priority - above destroying Israel even - is to get rid of the hypocrits among them. Calling other Muslims unIslamic and trying to kill them for it is part and parcel of Islam. Even Muhammed did it.

Thanks for answering the question, FD. Is this our sole criterion for ISIS being Islamic, despite what the Australian Muslim leaders are saying and what actual Islamic states are doing to prevent them?

If so, could we say Tony Abbott, Barrack Obama and David Cameron are Islamic too?

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Reply #65 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:57pm

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Is this our sole criterion

I was pointing out that it is not a criterion at all.

This movement sprung out of nothing. It spread because it is popular among Muslims. It spread because it's claim to Islam is accepted by so many Muslims. It has appeal to Muslims all over the world, including about 100 Australian Muslims who were willing to go to the ultimate length because of the religious appeal.

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Reply #66 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:58pm

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

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Is this our sole criterion

I was pointing out that it is not a criterion at all.

This movement sprung out of nothing. It spread because it is popular among Muslims. It spread because it's claim to Islam is accepted by so many Muslims. It has appeal to Muslims all over the world, including about 100 Australian Muslims who were willing to go to the ultimate length because of the religious appeal.

So you’re saying ISIL are unIslamic, but supported by Muslims?

I’m confused again.

Is this a bit like how Uncle’s experiments with Freeedom are not technically Freee, but supported by Christians?

This stuff’s hard.

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Reply #67 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:31pm

The actions of ISIL are closer to the example set by Muhammed than any Australian Muslim community leaders. Flying to the other side of the world to join a war that has nothing to do with you on behalf of an organisation that did not even exist until recently speaks louder than anything those leaders have said.

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Reply #68 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:32pm

K, Mr Confused.

ISIS, or BOKO HARAM, or Al-Nusra, or Al-Qaeda, etc, etc, etc, are all 'symbols' for the same thing.

They are 'attractants' and 'identifiers', for the followers of ISLAM, aka, moslems.

Simple.

See.

Just like the Moslem Brotherhood, and Ex-President of Egypt Morsi of Egypt, are also 'attractants' for the followers of ISLAM, aka, moslems.

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

K, Mr Confused,

QUESTION;
Does imbecility, run in the genes of your family ?

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Reply #69 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:02pm

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

The actions of ISIL are closer to the example set by Muhammed than any Australian Muslim community leaders. Flying to the other side of the world to join a war that has nothing to do with you on behalf of an organisation that did not even exist until recently speaks louder than anything those leaders have said.

Yes, FD, but don’t you usually use the Saudis as the model of the true Islamic state?

Plenty of Muslims go over there too.

I wonder if they’ll be arrested under our new anti-terror laws.

Muhammed, by the way, hasn’t yet come out to support ISIS.

What do you think, Y? Should the Moslems returning from the Haj be detained?

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Reply #70 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:05pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

K, Mr Confused.

ISIS, or BOKO HARAM, or Al-Nusra, or Al-Qaeda, etc, etc, etc, are all 'symbols' for the same thing.

They are 'attractants' and 'identifiers', for the followers of ISLAM, aka, moslems.

Simple.

See.

Just like the Moslem Brotherhood, and Ex-President of Egypt Morsi of Egypt, are also 'attractants' for the followers of ISLAM, aka, moslems.

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

K, Mr Confused,

QUESTION;
Does imbecility, run in the genes of your family ?

The Moslems put him in jail, Y.

Does he support ISIS? Are you going to quote any Moslem leaders who support ISIS?

I’m Mr Confused, but you can call me K.

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Reply #71 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

The actions of ISIL are closer to the example set by Muhammed than any Australian Muslim community leaders. Flying to the other side of the world to join a war that has nothing to do with you on behalf of an organisation that did not even exist until recently speaks louder than anything those leaders have said.

Yes, FD, but don’t you usually use the Saudis as the model of the true Islamic state?

No.

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Reply #72 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

The actions of ISIL are closer to the example set by Muhammed than any Australian Muslim community leaders. Flying to the other side of the world to join a war that has nothing to do with you on behalf of an organisation that did not even exist until recently speaks louder than anything those leaders have said.

Yes, FD, but don’t you usually use the Saudis as the model of the true Islamic state?

No.

Jordon? Qatar? Bahrain?

No?

Ah - you must be a UAE man. You like to stop over in Qatar for a few days to get your suits made.

Freeedom, eh?

Marvellous stuff.

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Reply #73 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 12:18am

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

The actions of ISIL are closer to the example set by Muhammed than any Australian Muslim community leaders. Flying to the other side of the world to join a war that has nothing to do with you on behalf of an organisation that did not even exist until recently speaks louder than anything those leaders have said.

Yes, FD, but don’t you usually use the Saudis as the model of the true Islamic state?

No.

Jordon? Qatar? Bahrain?

No?

Ah - you must be a UAE man. You like to stop over in Qatar for a few days to get your suits made.

Freeedom, eh?

Marvellous stuff.

When your stupid excuses are shot down one by one you finally go into your idiotic irony mongering, PB.
But your your sh*t-eating grin is obvious behind the wanky attempts of too-clever irony.

IS is Islamic. Islam is not the root of all evil - but for these and other Muslim terrrorist organisations and their supporters, Islam IS the justification for what they believe, say and do. These are specific instructions for war, oppression, harshness, enslavement, mistreatment, hatred and cruelty in the Koran and hadiths that these terrorists are following to the letter. There is no misinterpretation of those parts of Islam at all.

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Reply #74 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 12:31am

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

IS is Islamic. Islam is not the root of all evil - but for these and other Muslim terrrorist organisations and their supporters, Islam IS the justification for what they believe, say and do. These are specific instructions for war, oppression, harshness, enslavement, mistreatment, hatred and cruelty in the Koran and hadiths that these terrorists are following to the letter. There is no misinterpretation of those parts of Islam at all.

You still keep assuming there is only one valid interpretation of Islam and IS is the one who understands it, like you do, Soren. Roll Eyes

You and they seek to either just ignore or prefer to eliminate all other interpretations. For you, they are inconvenient, they prevent you being able to argue against one convenient interpretation (which is invariably the worst one imaginable). For IS, the alternatives are competitors and offends their vision of a "pure" Islam. As I keep pointing out, your willingness to accept the IS or any other extremist Islamist interpretation suggests you'd fit in quite happily with their views. For you, like them, their view is
Islam. This is good Takfiri thinking.

Which Madrassah did you graduate from again? Roll Eyes

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