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Reply #90 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

How are the violent passages of koran misunderstood by IS? Please explanin or link to an explanation.

You go first, old chap. Provide the quote and we’ll try to make some sense of it.

I must say, however, this is a pretty intellectual game when Muslim world leaders (and their bombs) have already spoken. Marty Natalagawa, for example, didn’t quote the Koran when he was condemning ISIL as anti-Islam and anti-peace. He is, after all, the Indonesian foreign affairs minister, not an imam.

I’m always up for a bit of fun, so feel free to proceed with quotes. Maybe G can help to explain them.

The view he expressed in his link above is pretty common. It’s shared among Western religion scholars and Muslims themselves. As G argues, it certainly makes more sense to interpret peace as peace rather than peace as war.

But that’s just me.

Over to you, old boy.

Nobody is asking that of anyone.
what is asked is that the IS use of the violent koranic verses and violent examples of mohammed be shown to actually be unislamic.

Sorry, I'm not quite clear what you're saying. Are you saying IS are taking verses out of context?

I'm confused.

Now. Onto the versus. Here you are telling us how bad they are. Time to discuss them.

Quote them, old boy. Pass stool, as they say, or get off the pot.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95326 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #91 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:50pm freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:16pm: Not always. According to Abu... Oh, I know.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #92 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:51pm Personally I haven't heard anyone from ISIS quoting the Quran. I have heard a report they are attempting to edit some bits out though.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95326 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #93 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:56pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:51pm: Personally I haven't heard anyone from ISIS quoting the Quran. I have heard a report they are attempting to edit some bits out though. Ah yes, of course. Old boy, which parts of the Quran order its adherents to take stuff out? I'm curious.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #94 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:16pm Muslim Scholars To ISIS: You Have Misinterpreted Islam. They obviously got that wrong. Soren, Freediver, et al have corrected that misapprehension of theirs, now haven't they? IS is Islamic!
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Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi
Reply #95 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

[tr][/tr]Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Muslim Scholars To ISIS: You Have Misinterpreted Islam. They obviously got that wrong. Soren, Freediver, et al have corrected that misapprehension of theirs, now haven't they? IS is Islamic! Roll Eyes

Yes, but those 120 Muslim.scholars clearly haven’t read FD’s posts paraphrasing Abu.

Personally, I think FD has a duty to set the record straight and publish his own open letter.

The stakes here are high. The fate of Freeedom may well rest in the balance.

FD?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #96 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Muslim Scholars To ISIS: You Have Misinterpreted Islam. Yes, but this is clearly not a "critical evaluation".
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #97 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:55pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Muslim Scholars To ISIS: You Have Misinterpreted Islam. Yes, but this is clearly not a "critical evaluation". Indeed, a press release is not.
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Reply #98 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 9:17pm

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Muslim Scholars To ISIS: You Have Misinterpreted Islam.

Yes, but this is clearly not a "critical evaluation".

Indeed, a press release is not.

You don’t want to.post your little quotes, old chap?

I understand.

You don’t know any.

Carry on!

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Reply #99 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 9:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Muslim Scholars To ISIS: You Have Misinterpreted Islam.

Yes, but this is clearly not a "critical evaluation".

Clearly not, gandalf.

......when the facts are;

That Numan Haider was a young moslem Australian.

And that Numan Haider was a young moslem Australian, who was 'clearly' one, among many moslems in Australia, who are followers of 'the ISLAM' that is promoted by ISIS.

Today, Numan Haider is dead.

And today, i have not heard even one person in the moslem community, in Australia,

refer to Numan Haider as an 'extremist'.

Why not ?

Today, Numan Haider is being described by many moslems in Australia as a Shaheed [i.e. as an ISLAMIC warrior who has died fighting infidels].

Sheik Google;
Numan Haider praised as a Shaheed

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95326 Gender:	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #100 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 9:46pm Which Moslem communities have you been frequenting today, Y? I’m curious.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21625 A cat with a view	Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi Reply #101 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 10:02pm Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 9:46pm: Which Moslem communities have you been frequenting today, Y? I’m curious. Ah, you want to track my online 'footsteps' ? That would possibly identify who i am ? ASIO know who i am.
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Reply #102 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 10:37pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Tell me, what is your attitude towards Hindus? Buddhists? Jews? They all going to end up in hell as well? Roll Eyes

A belief ONLY held by adherents of the Christian scriptures

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

JC

John 14:6

there's a bit more to it than that.

I am inferring that you are saying
"only Christians go to heaven"

If so, I disagree.

After death, a good Buddhist or agnostic can enter heaven via Jesus.

You seem to know your "stuff"

What about the
racist, homophobic, intolerant, hate filled bigot
- who knows nothing of true

Christian morals, ethics and values

- but ticks the "Christian" box on the census form

Will he/she go to heaven ?

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'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

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Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi
Reply #103 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 8:05am

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/beheading-infidels-how-allah-heals-the-heart...

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2014/09/04/satloff-family-spokespersons-patheti...
Explore the rest of the articles on these two sites.

Listen while exploring
http://miltrosenberg.com/show/is-terrorist-mass-murder-now-the-default-position-...

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

How are the violent passages of koran misunderstood by IS? Please explanin or link to an explanation.

You go first, old chap. Provide the quote and we’ll try to make some sense of it.

I must say, however, this is a pretty intellectual game when Muslim world leaders (and their bombs) have already spoken. Marty Natalagawa, for example, didn’t quote the Koran when he was condemning ISIL as anti-Islam and anti-peace. He is, after all, the Indonesian foreign affairs minister, not an imam.

I’m always up for a bit of fun, so feel free to proceed with quotes. Maybe G can help to explain them.

The view he expressed in his link above is pretty common. It’s shared among Western religion scholars and Muslims themselves. As G argues, it certainly makes more sense to interpret peace as peace rather than peace as war.

But that’s just me.

Over to you, old boy.

Nobody is asking that of anyone.
what is asked is that the IS use of the violent koranic verses and violent examples of mohammed be shown to actually be unislamic.

Sorry, I'm not quite clear what you're saying. Are you saying IS are taking verses out of context?

I'm confused.

Now. Onto the versus. Here you are telling us how bad they are. Time to discuss them.

Quote them, old boy. Pass stool, as they say, or get off the pot.

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Re: At last, 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' claim is being ridi
Reply #104 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 10:42am

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

The question of this thread is not whether the actions of ISIL are justified using the Koran - they most certainly are.

This thread discusses Obama's claim that ISIS is not truly Islamic - a claim was that also made by Tony Abbott in a meeting of the Security Council yesterday.

And it's a claim that has been authorized by every influential Muslim country with both condemnations of ISIS and military support.

In Australia, Muslim leaders have done just the same - declaring ISIS to be unIslamic based on its statements and its actions.

Do the constraints and the actions [e.g. hostility towards disbelievers within the caliphate] and the law [Sharia] of the caliphate [i.e. ISIS in Syria and Iraq] align with Allah's will [i.e. as expressed through the Koran] ???

Each of us should seek out and examine the evidence....

source....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/the-islamic-state-vs-the-quran

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Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Cameron on Islamic State’s claim to be Islamic: “Nonsense, Islam is a religion of peace”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/cameron-on-islamic-states-claim-to-be-islamic-...

David Cameron is absolutely wrong in what he is declaring.

And history will record the politicians of this age [and all political leaders of this age, like David Cameron], to be self-serving [cowardly] worms.

With regard to ISLAM, and with regard to ISLAM's [intentional] malevolent intent towards ALL persons who are not moslems,...
American citizens are coming to see how the wool is being pulled over their eyes, by their own political leaders, in regards to what ISLAM is.......

Watch the YTube.....

Bill Maher Battles Charlie Rose on Why Islam is More Dangerous than Other Religions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw

SOURCE DOCUMENT, for Bill Maher / Charlie Rose YT....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/bill-maher-to-claim-that-islam-is-like-other-r...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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