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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #60 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:03pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
I have been unable to find any comparable statistics for Islamophobic attacks but I suspect there have been far more.


Scott Poynting especially has done some useful research on islamophobic attacks in Australia since 9/11. One of the most significant findings was that attacks are hugely under-reported - primarily because most attacks are directed against women (visibly more identifiable), who are understandably too scared/embarassed to report it.


Why would Muslim women feel too scared or embarrassed to report Islamophobic attacks?

Perhaps they are simply used to the mistreatment.
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #61 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
Yep that must be it FD  Tongue

Of course women feeling uncomfortable about reporting intimidation and abuse by men in non-muslim cultures is simply unheard of isn't it?

Got any more smacking retarded contributions for today?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #62 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:40pm
 
Your argument might make sense if it was sexual assault. What is it about 'non-Muslim' culture that might make women scared about reporting Islamaphobic attacks? Are they worried about all the fawning Brians of the world?
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #63 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:53pm
 
Seriously, what could possibly motivate you to turn this into an attack on islam? It is perfectly normal for any woman to be reluctant to report an attack that made them feel humiliated and degraded. Ripping a woman's hijab off in a malicious attack by a complete stranger would be hugely humiliating for any affected woman, and its perfectly understandable they would be reluctant to report it.

freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:40pm:
What is it about 'non-Muslim' culture that might make women scared about reporting Islamaphobic attacks?


Please rephrase this question. You either mistyped or misunderstood what I said.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #64 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 8:10pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:53pm:
Ripping a woman's hijab off in a malicious attack by a complete stranger would be hugely humiliating for any affected woman, and its perfectly understandable they would be reluctant to report it.




How about this:

Putting on a hijab in Australia is a malicious act.


Look around. The natives do not have hijabs. They have a COMPLETELY different concept about the sexes. They have a COMPLETELY different view of what is normal behaviour and attire in the public sphere.

Why not respect that?

Why challenge or ignore that?

Why not fit in and not demonstrate separateness at every turn?

Didn't they know that Australia is not a Middle Eastern country when they applied to settle here?
Don't they know that this is not a repressive Islamic country?
Why insist on challenging the norms of the country that gives them an opportunity to bloody well get over their primitive Arabian obsessions about hair?

Why come here if they want to be just like they are back in Hellholeistan??


Please explain, Gandy, because I have no idea why you do it - other than deliberately undermine and white-ant.

It simply doesn't make sense otherwise.




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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #65 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 8:59pm
 
Ah, see what is meant about blaming the victim?  You provide a perfect example, Soren.   Thanks for proving my point, you "never, ever, condemn Islamophobia".  You commit it.  You remind me of the neo-Nazi bully boys I once saw off who were harassing my Jewish neighbour.  She was a survivor of the Holocaust and didn't deserve to be treated like that by such scum.  Like them, you pick on those who can't defend themselves.  You do it from behind the safety of your computer.   Like them, if you met real people you'd run a mile.  Roll Eyes
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #66 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 6:18am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:40pm:
Your argument might make sense if it was sexual assault. What is it about 'non-Muslim' culture that might make women scared about reporting Islamaphobic attacks? Are they worried about all the fawning Brians of the world?


Do you really believe that the only underreported crimes against women are sexual? What about domestic violence?


When I wore hijab, I was verbally abused, spat at a few times and shoved down stairs at a railway station. Ever been spat at by a filthy bogan? It's one of the the most revolting and humiliating things out there - far worse than the push down the stairs. I remember standing waiting to cross a set of traffic lights and being spat at by a dickhead in a passing car. My best friend was surrounded on a train by a group of teenagers and had her scarf torn off. This was all before 9/11. I never once considered reporting anything to the police.

I pulled over not long ago to assist at the scene of an accident. A scarfed Muslim woman was sitting by the side of the road crying hysterically. She'd t-boned a lady at an intersection. It wasn't a serious accident. The woman she hit was on the phone to the police saying that she believed she'd been hit intentionally and was a victim of terrorism. The scarfed woman was absolutely petrified. It was awful.

It's okay that you don't understand the perspective, but you're so harsh. In your rush to condemn Muslims for anything and everything,  you seem to always jump to the most negative of conclusions without proper consideration. 




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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #67 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 6:42am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
Ah, see what is meant about blaming the victim?  You provide a perfect example, Soren.   Thanks for proving my point, you "never, ever, condemn Islamophobia".  You commit it.  You remind me of the neo-Nazi bully boys I once saw off who were harassing my Jewish neighbour.  She was a survivor of the Holocaust and didn't deserve to be treated like that by such scum.  Like them, you pick on those who can't defend themselves.  You do it from behind the safety of your computer.   Like them, if you met real people you'd run a mile.  Roll Eyes

I asked a few questions,  Brain, why don't you answer them instead of preening and posing?
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #68 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 8:07am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 16th, 2014 at 6:18am:
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:40pm:
Your argument might make sense if it was sexual assault. What is it about 'non-Muslim' culture that might make women scared about reporting Islamaphobic attacks? Are they worried about all the fawning Brians of the world?


Do you really believe that the only underreported crimes against women are sexual? What about domestic violence?


When I wore hijab, I was verbally abused, spat at a few times and shoved down stairs at a railway station. Ever been spat at by a filthy bogan? It's one of the the most revolting and humiliating things out there - far worse than the push down the stairs. I remember standing waiting to cross a set of traffic lights and being spat at by a dickhead in a passing car. My best friend was surrounded on a train by a group of teenagers and had her scarf torn off. This was all before 9/11. I never once considered reporting anything to the police.

I pulled over not long ago to assist at the scene of an accident. A scarfed Muslim woman was sitting by the side of the road crying hysterically. She'd t-boned a lady at an intersection. It wasn't a serious accident. The woman she hit was on the phone to the police saying that she believed she'd been hit intentionally and was a victim of terrorism. The scarfed woman was absolutely petrified. It was awful.

It's okay that you don't understand the perspective, but you're so harsh. In your rush to condemn Muslims for anything and everything,  you seem to always jump to the most negative of conclusions without proper consideration. 


Your experiences are not unusual - unfortunately. I had no idea about how rampant this hijab-abuse issue was until I read a few reports on it. The studies I mentioned earlier interview muslim women, and the exact same sorts of anecdotes are repeated - over and over - the shoving, the spitting and of course ripping the hijab off. But its never reported on - because as you said, women are just too humiliated and ashamed to - and besides, whats the point? A bogan drives by and spits in your face - what can be done?

And then we have not only FD jumping to blame anyone but the actual perpetrators, but also Soren's class act of describing the donning of the hijab as "a malicious act". Makes you proud eh?  Embarrassed
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Reply #69 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 8:27am
 
If I were a woman and went to Jedda and insisted that I should be able to get around in hot pants, you would see that as a deliberate provocation - as malicious act calculated to undermine and challenge the local customs.
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #70 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 9:51am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 16th, 2014 at 8:27am:
If I were a woman and went to Jedda and insisted that I should be able to get around in hot pants, you would see that as a deliberate provocation - as malicious act calculated to undermine and challenge the local customs.


you'ld be jailed.

But, the muslims here will say that is all ok
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #71 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 10:18am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 16th, 2014 at 8:27am:
If I were a woman and went to Jedda and insisted that I should be able to get around in hot pants, you would see that as a deliberate provocation - as malicious act calculated to undermine and challenge the local customs.


Which is precisely why these people are leaving sh*tholes like Jedda to come here - because we have a free and open society where, thank God, wearing what you like is not seen as a "deliberate provocation" - by most people that is.

Are you really competing to be as intolerant as Saudi Arabia?
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #72 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 10:37am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 16th, 2014 at 10:18am:
Soren wrote on Sep 16th, 2014 at 8:27am:
If I were a woman and went to Jedda and insisted that I should be able to get around in hot pants, you would see that as a deliberate provocation - as malicious act calculated to undermine and challenge the local customs.


Which is precisely why these people are leaving sh*tholes like Jedda to come here - because we have a free and open society where, thank God, wearing what you like is not seen as a "deliberate provocation" - by most people that is.

Are you really competing to be as intolerant as Saudi Arabia?

So why bring the sh*thole customs all this way?
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Re: Logan mosque targeted with anti-Muslim pamphlets,
Reply #73 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 10:47am
 
If you're seriously suggesting that a choice of head-dress is a "sh*thole custom" - then I suggest its you who has the problem, not them.
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Reply #74 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 11:20am
 
Yeah, right.
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