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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40756 Gender:	islam is the problem Sep 18^th, 2014 at 10:28am Quote: CHURCH-goers in Sydney’s west have been left shaken after a stranger shouted death threats from a car bearing the Islamic State flag. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/sydney-church-our-lady-of-lebanon-ta... and muslims are quite ok with extremism
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Reply #1 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:34am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

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CHURCH-goers in Sydney’s west have been left shaken after a stranger shouted death threats from a car bearing the Islamic State flag.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/sydney-church-our-lady-of-lebanon-ta...

and muslims are quite ok with extremism

Better raise the security level up to Extreme for this one, Sprint. Looks like we're one step closer to the head-hacking rampage you've been warning us about.

The Logan Mosque has been targeted by bogans for the last two weeks. Anti-Muslim pamphlets, cars driving past yelling nasty things, threats to whack a pig's head out the front and cover the front gate with pork.

All good fun, a bit of youthful hijinx, boys will be boys.

But now '“some threats were made in regard to some people” near (a) church', it's game on. How dare they. Who do these Muslims think they are?

Religious conflict is not the Australian way. Australians would never seek to inflame religious conflict, target people based on their religion, or attempt to scapegoat members of the community based on their religion. No, no, and no. We simply won't have it.

Your Muslim, on the other hand, has the audacity to drive past a Christian church and yell out all sorts of terrible things, leaving decent Christians shaken.

How utterly, utterly appalling.

Islam should be banned. These people should be deported. And we should invade the countries they get deported to to keep them all in check.

I blame Islam.

After all, if it wasn't for Islam, we wouldn't need to do any of this.

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Reply #2 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-terror-raids-afp-asio-move-on-suspect...

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Reply #3 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

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Fears company’s ‘missing $9m’ used to finance terror

A MONEY-REMITTANCE company linked to the family of convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf is being investigated by the Australian Federal Police over $9 million in missing funds, some of which authorities fear may have been used to finance Australians fighting with Islamic State. Authorities are also concerned the company, Bisotel Rieh Global Money Transfer, may have transferred funds to Mohamed Elomar, Khaled Sharrouf’s companion in Syria and a fellow fighter with the terrrorist organisation. ..........

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/fears-companys-missing-9m-used-to-fi...

islam, terrorism

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Reply #4 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 2:18pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

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Fears company’s ‘missing $9m’ used to finance terror

A MONEY-REMITTANCE company linked to the family of convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf is being investigated by the Australian Federal Police over $9 million in missing funds, some of which authorities fear may have been used to finance Australians fighting with Islamic State. Authorities are also concerned the company, Bisotel Rieh Global Money Transfer, may have transferred funds to Mohamed Elomar, Khaled Sharrouf’s companion in Syria and a fellow fighter with the terrrorist organisation. ..........

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/fears-companys-missing-9m-used-to-fi...

islam, terrorism

Of course it's terrorism. Two years ago, the CIA was funding many of the same groups in the Syrian civil war. If it wasn't for Putin, the US would have provided them with air support.

We're going to hear a lot about these raids over the next week - Australians fighting overseas, Australians funding those soldiers, Australians supporting the opponents of the Assad regime in Syria.

What you won't hear about is the support Uncle himself provided in his covert war against that Axis of Evil villain, Bashar al Assad. As Mr Abbott eloquently put it: "it's baddies versus baddies".

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. Always, absolutely, never ever.

Except when we're at war with ourselves.

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Reply #5 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

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CHURCH-goers in Sydney’s west have been left shaken after a stranger shouted death threats from a car bearing the Islamic State flag.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/sydney-church-our-lady-of-lebanon-ta...

and muslims are quite ok with extremism

Are they? According to whom? You? Well, we all know how bigoted your views are.

Good resort to tabloid journalism. Grin

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Reply #6 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

Adamant wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

Really? Who said that? Telling lies about what others have said Adamant? Grin

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Reply #7 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Adamant wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

Really? Who said that? Telling lies about what others have said Adamant? Grin

How do you tell the good ones from the bad ones?
Please explain.

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Reply #8 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:19pm

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Adamant wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

Really? Who said that? Telling lies about what others have said Adamant? Grin

How do you tell the good ones from the bad ones?
Please explain.

The same you tell the good ones from the bad ones in every other group of people. By their actions.

When you start proposing that you lock everybody up you suspect of doing something bad and not just Muslims, I will stop considering you bigoted towards Muslims on this issue.

If you do, then you'll need to lock loads of Australians up 'cause after all,
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12 per cent of people aged 75+ (compared with 6 per cent overall) think that a male is justified in using physical force if his current partner admits to having sex with another man.
13 per cent of those who migrated to Australia from 2005 onwards are of the view that a man is justified in using physical force against his current partner if she admits to having sex with another man, 10 per cent if she makes him look stupid or insults him in front of his friends and 11 per cent if she ends or tries to end the relationship.
Labourers are more likely than managers or professionals to agree that each of these behaviours justify the use of physical force.
Indigenous people are more likely than non-Indigenous to justify the use of violence against a current partner in these circumstances (16 per cent, 11 per cent and 14 per cent for the various scenarios).

The proportion of females who agree that a man is justified in using physical force if his partner admits to having sex with another man has increased from 4 per cent in 2009 to 6 per cent in 2013.

[http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/charts-attitudes-to-violence-against-women/5750014]

And that is just the latest results about violence against women and guess what? Hardly any of the respondents would have been Muslim! Grin

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Reply #9 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:32pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Adamant wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

Really? Who said that? Telling lies about what others have said Adamant? Grin

How do you tell the good ones from the bad ones?
Please explain.

The same you tell the good ones from the bad ones in every other group of people. By their actions.

Good. A few have been arrested for their actions today.
I am absolutely sure that non-muslims were also arrested elsewhere today. And nobody is complaining about THAT.
But arrest a muslim for his actions motivated by Islam and the loonies like you are immediately screaming foul, bigotry, conspiracy. That's how craven and spineless you really are.

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Reply #10 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:41pm

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Adamant wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

Really? Who said that? Telling lies about what others have said Adamant? Grin

How do you tell the good ones from the bad ones?
Please explain.

The same you tell the good ones from the bad ones in every other group of people. By their actions.

Good. A few have been arrested for their actions today.
I am absolutely sure that non-muslims were also arrested elsewhere today. And nobody is complaining about THAT.
But arrest a muslim for his actions motivated by Islam and the loonies like you are immediately screaming foul, bigotry, conspiracy. That's how craven and spineless you really are.

No, that is not what I criticise you for. Why not actually read what is said rather than trying to erect a strawman argument?

You are criticised for your

continued use of guilt by association to link all Muslims to terrorism.
continued attempts to persecute all Muslims for their beliefs, no matter how moderate they actually are.
continuous persecution of the Islamic religion based upon an interpretation which is totally at variance to that of mainstream Muslims.

Note the keyword, "continuous". That you continually and persistently refuse to modify your views when they have been demonstrated to be wrong makes you guilty of religious persecution. Your hatred is visceral. Your Islamophobia real. Grin

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam is the problem Reply #11 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:41pm Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:32pm: But arrest a muslim for his actions motivated by Islam and the loonies like you are immediately screaming foul, bigotry, conspiracy. Who Soren? Can you cite an example of this?
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: islam is the problem Reply #12 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:37am polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:41pm: Can you cite an example of this? http://www.sbs.com.au/news/storystream/abbott-urges-australia-stay-united-muslim...
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Reply #13 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:51am

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Adamant wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Seems you are correct and wrong as the same time kernel well done.

"HORRIFIC details have emerged of a plot to behead an Australian and upload it to social media in a deliberate attack against the country".

Not here, we've been told only the good ones live here!

Really? Who said that? Telling lies about what others have said Adamant? Grin

How do you tell the good ones from the bad ones?
Please explain.

The same you tell the good ones from the bad ones in every other group of people. By their actions.

Good. A few have been arrested for their actions today.
I am absolutely sure that non-muslims were also arrested elsewhere today. And nobody is complaining about THAT.
But arrest a muslim for his actions motivated by Islam and the loonies like you are immediately screaming foul, bigotry, conspiracy. That's how craven and spineless you really are.

No, that is not what I criticise you for. Why not actually read what is said rather than trying to erect a strawman argument?

You are criticised for your

continued use of guilt by association to link all Muslims to terrorism.
continued attempts to persecute all Muslims for their beliefs, no matter how moderate they actually are.
continuous persecution of the Islamic religion based upon an interpretation which is totally at variance to that of mainstream Muslims.

Note the keyword, "continuous". That you continually and persistently refuse to modify your views when they have been demonstrated to be wrong makes you guilty of religious persecution. Your hatred is visceral. Your Islamophobia real. Grin

Thank you, Comrade Bedwetter, off to the reeducation camp with the likes of me, then.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: islam is the problem Reply #14 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:28am Soren wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:51am: Thank you, Comrade Bedwetter, off to the reeducation camp with the likes of me, then. No, the likes of you get the quick solution down in the basement at Dzerzhinsky Square. You are beyond redemption! It would be better not to waste the State's resources on you.
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