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Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Sep 18^th, 2014 at 10:40am

Where have the all of these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

As we all know, the ISIS 'entity' has been attacking [and overrunning] local communities in Syria and Iraq, in recent months and years.

And ISIS has long been designated by Western nations, as an Al-Qaeda 'style' 'terrorist group'.

And in recent months we have seen the graphic video depictions of the slaughter ISIS captives, and we have heard the accounts of women and girls [captives] that have been forced into sex camps [sexual slavery camps].

Sex camps that are being set up and run, for the sexual 'gratification' [i.e. 'reward'] of ISIS fighters.

Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165

And now, subsequent to many of those reports, and subsequent to the graphic video depictions of the slaughter ISIS captives, ISIS are now [even] being described as 'monsters', by many political leaders in Western nations [...and even in the 'liberal' mainstream media!]

PROPOSITION #1;
Despite what the policy makers and counter-terror 'experts' here in the West may say, and despite - the denials - that the moslem community spokesmen here, in Western nations, are making, ....it is clear that there is an overwhelming level of support for Al-Qaeda linked terror groups, among moslems [and within moslem communities] that are resident within Western nations.

And imo, this support is especially evident, for the group known as ISIS or IS.

And i would suggest that this widespread support for ISIS [among moslems communities that are resident within Western nations] cannot be easily denied by policy makers and political leaders here in Western nations.

WHY SO ?

Because it is apparent to almost everyone, and it is undeniable, that many of the members of this ISIS 'entity', within Syria and Iraq, are persons who are made up, largely, of moslem emigres [to Syria and Iraq] from Western nations.

So it is very apparent, that many of these 'monsters' [the members of the ISIS 'entity'], have, and must have, strong direct links, back to moslem communities that are resident within all Western nations, INCLUDING THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY HERE IN AUSTRALIA.

Of course, the moslem community here in Australia [as they have always done], will insistently deny that there is any support, in their community, for ISIS.

And they will also loudly proclaim that what ISIS is doing, has nothing to do with ISLAM, because;

'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

QUESTION #1;
Why has ISIS, so quickly, become a threat to local communities in Syria and Iraq, and, 'to Western interests' ?
[and n.b. those communities in Syria and Iraq are being attacked, and overrun by ISIS, because the persons in them, have been deemed by ISIS to be, 1/ non-moslem or, 2/ apostate - i.e. 'not moslem enough']

PROPOSITION #2;
Hasn't 'ISIS' always been [hiding] among us, here in the West ?

My answer, would be YES! ...the members of what we now refer to, as 'ISIS', have always been here, living among us, here in the West.

FOR EXAMPLE -
THESE PERSONS [in these images below, from 2006 and 2012] ARE THE VERY SAME 'MONSTERS' THAT ARE BEING RECRUITED INTO ISIS, IN SYRIA AND IRAQ TODAY;

IMAGE...

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

AND THOSE VERY SAME 'MONSTERS' ARE HERE TOO, WITHIN AUSTRALIA!

AND THOSE 'MONSTERS' ARE EFFECTIVELY 'SWIMMING' [finding willing refuge] WITHIN THE THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, HERE IN AUSTRALIA.;

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
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'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

Not all moslems are extremists you know! Tongue

The only moslems who are extremists, are the ones that we don't know about, coz they are not here, in Australia. Tongue

The only moslems who are extremists,

are the ones that live 'over there', and who commit atrocities - every day - against people who don't believe, as they [moslems] believe.

Honest!!! Tongue

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #1 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 10:50am

ISIS cadres are here, living among us, here in Australia.

That is the truth.

And they are called devout moslems.

No ?

QUESTION;
1/ Are you seriously going to suggest, that you believe that if the moslems [who are living among us, here in Australia, today] had the means [i.e. had the power] to do so, that moslems here in Australia, would treat us [non-moslems], with any less contempt, than what ISIS is showing to ISIS captives in Syria and Iraq ?

2/ AND, THAT THAT, IS NOT THEIR INTENT TOWARDS US ?

EVIDENCE WHICH SUPPORTS THAT [MY] PROPOSITION;

A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems].

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

ISLAM IS NOT A BENIGN, AND PEACEFUL RELIGION!

MOSLEMS ARE - INTENTIONALLY - MISREPRESENTING ISLAM TO US [non-moslems].

ASK YOURSELF, WHY ARE MOSLEMS DOING THAT,

WHY ARE MOSLEMS DECEIVING US ?

WHY ARE MOSLEMS - INTENTIONALLY - MISREPRESENTING ISLAM TO US ?

THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ? Reply #2 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm One word describes your posts. Bullshit!
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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #3 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:30pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Where have the all of these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

Apparently, many of the ISIS 'monsters' have come from Western Sydney.

In the image below, moslems from Western Sydney are protesting against police and ASIO raids, because those raids were intended to thwart the beheading of a deserving infidel, by peaceful religionists..... Tongue

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'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

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"WE MOSLEMS ONLY WANT TO CUT YOUR INFIDEL HEADS OFF!!!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT!

DOES PRACTISING OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION, DESERVE TERROR RAIDS !!!!!!!?

NO IT DOES NOT!!!"

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THESE PERSONS [in these images below, from 2006 and 2012] ARE THE VERY SAME 'MONSTERS' THAT ARE BEING RECRUITED INTO ISIS, IN SYRIA AND IRAQ TODAY;

IMAGE...

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

AND THOSE VERY SAME 'MONSTERS' ARE HERE TOO, WITHIN AUSTRALIA!

AND THOSE 'MONSTERS' ARE EFFECTIVELY 'SWIMMING' [finding willing refuge] WITHIN THE THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, HERE IN AUSTRALIA.;

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
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'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

Not all moslems are extremists you know! Tongue

The only moslems who are extremists, are the ones that we don't know about, coz they are not here, in Australia. Tongue

The only moslems who are extremists,

are the ones that live 'over there', and who commit atrocities - every day - against people who don't believe, as they [moslems] believe.

Honest!!! Tongue

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #5 - Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

One word describes your posts.

Fear.

greggerypeccary,

Yes, i fear.

.......i fear getting caught up in the consequences, of being close, to those who choose to be tolerant of evil.

Evil, is contagious.

Evil, is a [mental] sickness.

Yadda said....
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If we tolerate evil, and wickedness, in our midst,
...we, ourselves, will become those, who are evil.

And tolerance of evil, is not 'tolerance'.

It is wickedness!

And today people just don't get that truth.

In fact most people will strenuously deny that logic.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is desirable, and good, and peaceable."
,
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

Whenever we choose to be tolerant of evil [in our midst], it is certain, as night follows day, that we ourselves, will become evil.

Our 'tolerance' of evil, merely reveals the wickedness which is ALREADY within us!

And if you are a person who is "tolerant" of evil behaviour, DON'T KID YOURSELF,
...God hates you.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann

i Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

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Reply #7 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:06am

IMAGE.....
http://api.news.com.au/content/1.0/newscomau/images/1227063510579format=jpg

LAKEMBA - MOSLEMS PROTEST AGAINST TERROR RAIDS

IMAGE SOURCE...
http://mobile.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lakemba-protest-by-muslims-who-believ...

In the image above, moslems from Western Sydney are protesting against police and ASIO raids that were intended to thwart a beheading murder that was being planned by moslems.

You know, moslems, those peaceful religionists.

'ISLAM is peace!' Tongue

In the wake of the raids and arrests, many within the Australian moslem community are now expressing criticism of the police INTERVENTION to prevent an intended beheading murder, by a group of moslems.

Why is that ?

Why are many moslems within the Australia, so opposed to the police - INTERVENTION - to prevent an intended beheading murder ?

QUESTION;
Is it because many moslems within Australia, see nothing wrong, and nothing unlawful, with beheading an infidel ?

QUESTION;
Is it because the 'religious' law of ISLAM teaches the moslem that beheading an infidel, is NOT an unlawful act, to the moslem ?

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Some 'impressions' from ISLAMIC sources, of what ISLAM allows and encourages....

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Ishaq:231 ----->

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google

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Happy moslems in Syria and Iraq, because they are doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah's cause, by killing apostates.

NOTE WELL.
ISIS are butchering infidels and apostates by the thousands - in Syria and Iraq.

QUESTION;
ARE THOSE KILLINGS LAWFUL, TO THE MOSLEM ???

Did you know that ISLAMIC 'religious' law, teaches the moslem that - only moslems - are innocent people.

And that ISLAMIC 'religious' law teaches the moslem that the kuffar/infidels are guilty people, AND THAT DISBELIEVERS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH.

ISLAMIC law texts

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103580 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ? Reply #8 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:43am Dear Yadda, you ask: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ? The answer is - they were always there waiting for their chance. Just like a spider waiting for it's prey. We let them come here - like a plague of insects - locusts or hornets & now we will pay the price.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136772 Gender:	Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ? Reply #9 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:13am Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 1:17am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:38pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm: One word describes your posts. Fear. Phobic? Yes, that's better. Phobic.
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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #10 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:40am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 1:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

One word describes your posts.

Fear.

Phobic?

Yes, that's better.

Phobic.

see also
anxiety aversion distaste dread hang-up loathing obsession resentment revulsion avoidance awe detestation disgust dislike fear hatred horror irrationality neurosis repulsion terror thing thing about

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95424 Gender:	Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ? Reply #11 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:42am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:13am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 1:17am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:38pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm: One word describes your posts. Fear. Phobic? Yes, that's better. Phobic. Miam miam.
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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #12 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:17am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 1:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

One word describes your posts.

Fear.

Phobic?

Brian Ross,

You are an intensely deceitful and an intensely callous person, imo.

Phobic, implies a pathology of thinking, based upon some irrational, unfounded fear.

Brian Ross,

Are the victims of the ISIS sex camps [story below] phobic, about the intentions of moslems towards them ?

IMAGE....

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women."

Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165iBrian Ross,

Is David-Haines [story below] phobic, about the intentions of moslems towards him ?

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Islamic State beheads British aid worker David Haines; Cameron vows justice
Robert Spencer Sep 13, 2014

Said Cameron: “We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes.”

Everything, that is, except study and understand their motives and goals, and tell the truth about those motives and goals.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/islamic-state-beheads-british-aid-worker-david...

Brian Ross,

This Head [below], does not experience phobia.

This Head [below], is beyond phobia of ISLAM and of moslem intentions!

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Happy moslems in Syria and Iraq, because they are doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah's cause, by killing apostates.

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Reply #14 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:18pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

Phobic, implies a pathology of thinking, based upon some irrational, unfounded fear.

So then it's an accurate description of your viewpoint? Grin

Hot_Breath,

Your post expresses a view which exposes your own non-existent 'hold', upon reason and clarity.

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