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Reply #180 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].i
ISIS has got nothing to do with 'peaceful', 'mainstream' ISLAM ???

Of course not!!!! Tongue

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Pakistan: Jihadists open fire at home of lawyer defending accused blasphemer
Dec 04, 2014 11:12 pm | Robert Spencer

Pakistan’s blasphemy laws are a massive occasion for human rights abuses, but the world human rights community takes little notice.....

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Who are 'ISIS' ????????

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AND CONSIDER;
The vast majority of these ISIS monsters, are moslems who were lately, living in the suburbs of cities like Sydney and Melbourne [and cities in many other Western nations].

THE LESSON #1;
Even within a political [non-ISLAMIC] 'environment' like Australia;
1/ you can't take ISLAM out of the moslem,
AND,
2/ you can't take the moslem out of ISLAM.

Moslem = = ISLAM

ISLAM = = moslem.

Moslem = = a monstrous human being.

THE LESSON #2;
The laws of a nation like Australia are able to [somewhat] 'constrain' the intent of 'the moslem'.

But the laws and the 'environment' of a nation like Australia will never change [i.e. reform] who 'the moslem' is.

These ISIS monsters,

live among us, here, in Australia.

Thank you, Gough Whitlam [and Malcolm Fraser]! Angry

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #181 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

Oh woe is me! Oh woe is me!

Those poor [impoverished] moslem extremists!

ISLAM is not the cause, the inspiration, of moslem extremism and violence!

Oh no!

Moslem extremism is caused by the circumstance and the poverty of moslems, and their lack of a pluralist education!

Don't ya know, those poor moslem extremists are only struggling only REVOLTING. ...against their ignorance and their poverty!

....that is the argument which has been proffered by the peaceful 'moderate' moslems,
....and an argument that has then been taken up as a social cause, by the 'do-gooder' leftists and political 'progressives' in the West....

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Tunisia: Educated, affluent Muslims joining Islamic State
Oct 22, 2014 09:55 am | Robert Spencer

Everyone knows that poverty causes terrorism, and that therefore giving money to Muslim states will quell terrorism.
All the learned analysts say that.
But when the last Western authority finishes his or her speech to that effect, these wealthy young Muslims with master’s degrees will still be supporting jihad,....

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India: Muslim software engineer who admired Islamic State arrested for plotting jihad attacks against U.S. establishments in Mumbai
Oct 20, 2014 05:50 pm | Robert Spencer

A software engineer who lived in the suburbs?
What? Doesn’t Anees Ansari, who worked at a multi-national software company, know that terrorism is a result of poverty and ignorance?....

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UK: Muslim medical student arrested for Islamic State plot to commit jihad mass murder in Britain
Oct 08, 2014 05:05 pm | Robert Spencer

A medical student?
Doesn’t Tarik Hassane know that poverty causes terrorism?
I trust that John Kerry is jetting over to London now to talk to this young man and explain to him how he is misunderstanding Islam.....

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UK Muslima, a doctor, happily poses with severed head: “Dream Job”
Sep 10, 2014 09:22 pm | Robert Spencer

Yet another jihadist gets the crazy idea that “when you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks” (Qur’an 47:4) means “when you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks.”
Obviously only someone who knows nothing about Islam could make a mistake like that.
And she is a doctor to boot.
Doesn’t Mujahidah bint Usama know that poverty causes terrorism?....

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Pope calls for fighting hunger and poverty as key to stopping jihadists
Nov 28, 2014 05:57 pm | Robert Spencer

Alleviating hunger and poverty won’t end jihad terrorism.
The Pope here is repeating the oft-refuted notion that poverty causes terrorism.....

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Wealthy, educated “hipster jihadi” blows himself up in the Islamic State
Dec 01, 2014 05:58 am | Robert Spencer

He grew up in a wealthy Cairo neighborhood.
He studied at the French Lycee in Heliopolis and spoke four languages.
But…but…Pope Francis and John Kerry tell us that alleviating poverty and providing educational opportunities will end jihad terror — so why would a wealthy, educated Egyptian have decided to fight with the Islamic State?....

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Poverty causes terrorism? UAE jihadi arrested in palatial home
Dec 04, 2014 11:58 pm | Robert Spencer

The Muslima who murdered an American at a mall in Abu Dhabi was arrested in her home.
Pope Francis and John Kerry and others say we need to address the root causes of jihad terrorism by addressing problems of hunger and poverty.....

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #182 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

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Pluralism in Turkey: A Fairy Tale :: Bekdil at Gatestone
December 2, 2014

http://www.meforum.org/4904/pluralism-in-turkey-a-fairy-tale

worth a read.

COMMENT;
Secular Turkey moslem majority Turkey, under the 'guiding hand' and influence of ISLAMIST Erdogan, is slowly, inexorably, abandoning pluralism and democracy, .....for the political corruption and the political intolerance of an ISLAMIST state [...the, ISLAMIC STATE? Yes.].

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On Date/Time 13 Jun 2008 9:59:17am, I [Yadda] posted this [below] on the [ABC] Q&A online forum...

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bjorn989 said....

"........If you want proof that there can be a stable secular democracy in an Islamic country try Turkey.
Their government is probably more secular than ours.
Just because you dont know the facts doesnt mean you cant learn them.........."

You speak so eloquently.
And you are WRONG, about Turkey.

And i sincerly hope that you are willing take your own advice [in your 3rd sentence above].

example....
'One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'

Those are the words of the *current* Turkish PM....

article....

May 23, 2007
Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As 'A Huge Lie':
'Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah';
'One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'
h ttp://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607

MODERATOR -
This is political debate.
....and i need a right of reply.
....not your ever present, selective CLIPPING, of my responses.

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p.s.
If you search, you will not find this post [above] on the ABC, Q&A online forum.

Almost every single post that i made [on the ABC, Q&A online forum] [being] critical of ISLAM [and critical of the violent behaviour of some moslems], was 'moderated', by either being 'clipped' or by my entire post being removed from the ABC, Q&A online forum.

[i did complain to the ABC ombudsman, about this censoring [of political opinion about ISLAM] at the ABC, Q&A online forum. and i got a reply.]

SOME TIME LATER, every single one [of my 100's of posts], that were posted on the ABC, Q&A online forum, were removed, presumably by the pro-moslem Q&A online forum moderator(s).

Tony Jones and his crew have described the [ABC] QandA format/program, as 'AN EXPERIMENT IN DEMOCRACY'.

It is a pity [for democracy!] that people like Tony Jones, on an 'open' public forum like ABC, QandA, only want to broadcast their own voices and their own opinions - and the opinions of those who agree with them.i

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Who are 'ISIS' ????????

Quote:

Quote:

AND CONSIDER;
The vast majority of these ISIS monsters, are moslems who were lately, living in the suburbs of cities like Sydney and Melbourne [and cities in many other Western nations].

THE LESSON #1;
Even within a political [non-ISLAMIC] 'environment' like Australia;
1/ you can't take ISLAM out of the moslem,
AND,
2/ you can't take the moslem out of ISLAM.

Moslem = = ISLAM

ISLAM = = moslem.

Moslem = = a monstrous human being.

THE LESSON #2;
The laws of a nation like Australia are able to [somewhat] 'constrain' the intent of 'the moslem'.

But the laws and the 'environment' of a nation like Australia will never change [i.e. reform] who 'the moslem' is.

These ISIS monsters,

live among us, here, in Australia.

Thank you, Gough Whitlam [and Malcolm Fraser]! Angry

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #183 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

So, using that logic, Y., who then created this fellow?

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #184 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

So, using that logic, Y., who then created this fellow?

http://media.apnarm.net.au/img/media/images/2012/03/09/kony_copy_fct640x394x16_t...

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Who created this fellow?

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #185 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 5:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

So, using that logic

What logic is your miniscule grey matter alluding to?

The TOPIC is "Where have these ISIS "monsters" come from.

Why do you find it Impossible to stick to topic?

All have noticed you inability to answer questions.

In your own words, "Why don't you piss off"

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #186 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:30pm

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

So, using that logic, Y., who then created this fellow?

http://media.apnarm.net.au/img/media/images/2012/03/09/kony_copy_fct640x394x16_t...

Roll Eyes

Who created this fellow?

http://ahb.brassland.org/wp_ahb_tngkix/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/authenticity3....

This mob?

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #187 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

So, using that logic, Y., who then created this fellow?

http://media.apnarm.net.au/img/media/images/2012/03/09/kony_copy_fct640x394x16_t...

Roll Eyes

Who created this fellow?

http://ahb.brassland.org/wp_ahb_tngkix/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/authenticity3....

This mob?

http://perthworst.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/clothing-bin.jpg

Same people who created Korny.

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #188 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 9:50pm

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

So, using that logic, Y., who then created this fellow?

http://media.apnarm.net.au/img/media/images/2012/03/09/kony_copy_fct640x394x16_t...

Roll Eyes

Who created this fellow?

http://ahb.brassland.org/wp_ahb_tngkix/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/authenticity3....

This mob?

http://perthworst.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/clothing-bin.jpg

Same people who created Korny.

Yep and they are, Christians perhaps? Roll Eyes

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Reply #190 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 10:24pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Adamant wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

So, using that logic

What logic is your miniscule grey matter alluding to?

Brian has only one weapon in his repertoire - an astonishing inability to comprehend even the most basic arguments. He wields it well.

I comprehend arguments very well, FD. What I don't comprehend is the false premises which you believe are the arguments in themselves. Roll Eyes

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #191 - Dec 7^th, 2014 at 11:09am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Adamant wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

So, using that logic

What logic is your miniscule grey matter alluding to?

Brian has only one weapon in his repertoire - an astonishing inability to comprehend even the most basic arguments. He wields it well.

I comprehend arguments very well, FD. What I don't comprehend is the false premises which you believe are the arguments in themselves. Roll Eyes

Brian has only one weapon in his repertoire - an astonishing inability to comprehend even the most basic arguments.

Brian ALSO has an inflated opinion of his own comprehension skills.

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #192 - Dec 7^th, 2014 at 11:18am

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].i Quote:

Mumbai jihad murder mastermind to India: Give us Kashmir or get jihad
Dec 05, 2014 04:28 pm | Robert Spencer

A murderer threatens more murder: “Hafiz warned Modi that the latter should ‘resolve the Kashmir dispute, and if you are not ready to resolve, then God willing, Kashmir will be the gate and we will launch Jihad against India.'”

“Immediately resolve Kashmir dispute or Jihad will be launched against India:.....

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Terrorising the enemy of Allah, WORKS!!!!

Every moslem, know that fact.

But where does 'the moslem' get such an idea from, initially ?

It beats me ! Tongue

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - ISLAM'S PROPHET AND ARGUABLY, THE AUTHOR OF ISLAM'S THEOLOGY OF TERROR

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

And ISIS has got nothing to do with the 'mainstream' moslem communities, being hosted in many nations like Australia !

Of course not!!!! Tongue

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

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Who are 'ISIS' ????????

Quote:

Quote:

AND CONSIDER;
The vast majority of these ISIS monsters, are moslems who were lately, living in the suburbs of cities like Sydney and Melbourne [and cities in many other Western nations].

THE LESSON #1;
Even within a political [non-ISLAMIC] 'environment' like Australia;
1/ you can't take ISLAM out of the moslem,
AND,
2/ you can't take the moslem out of ISLAM.

Moslem = = ISLAM

ISLAM = = moslem.

Moslem = = a monstrous human being.

THE LESSON #2;
The laws of a nation like Australia are able to [somewhat] 'constrain' the intent of 'the moslem'.

But the laws and the 'environment' of a nation like Australia will never change [i.e. reform] who 'the moslem' is.

These ISIS monsters,

live among us, here, in Australia.

Thank you, Gough Whitlam [and Malcolm Fraser]! Angry

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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #193 - Dec 7^th, 2014 at 11:32am

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].i Quote:

Breaking news: Interpol alert seeks arrest of MB’s Qaradawi

Dec 05, 2014 03:53 pm | Robert Spencer.....

Google

Absurd.

The response from many Western security agencies and security analysts, to the terror threat posed by 'the moslem', living among us, in every Western nation.

ISLAM, ....is the philosophy, the 'faith', which 'the moslem' subscribes to, and has embraced.

THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

THE SUNNAH OF MOHAMMED [....the record of Mohammeds good deeds and sayings];

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC LAW
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

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Who are 'ISIS' ????????

Quote:

Quote:

AND CONSIDER;
The vast majority of these ISIS monsters, are moslems who were lately, living in the suburbs of cities like Sydney and Melbourne [and cities in many other Western nations].

THE LESSON #1;
Even within a political [non-ISLAMIC] 'environment' like Australia;
1/ you can't take ISLAM out of the moslem,
AND,
2/ you can't take the moslem out of ISLAM.

Moslem = = ISLAM

ISLAM = = moslem.

Moslem = = a monstrous human being.

THE LESSON #2;
The laws of a nation like Australia are able to [somewhat] 'constrain' the intent of 'the moslem'.

But the laws and the 'environment' of a nation like Australia will never change [i.e. reform] who 'the moslem' is.

These ISIS monsters,

live among us, here, in Australia.

Thank you, Gough Whitlam [and Malcolm Fraser]! Angry

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
Reply #194 - Dec 7^th, 2014 at 11:48am

QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].i

American Muslims for Palestine lectured on how to skirt terror laws

coz, obviously, it is the human right of the American moslem, not to get caught supporting terrorism!! Tongue

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American Muslims for Palestine lectured on how to skirt terror laws

Dec 05, 2014 11:58 am | Robert Spencer

They were told how to “navigate the fine line between legal activism and material support for terrorism.”

This was necessary because, you see, the U.S. has “criminalize[d] the support of the Palestinian people,”

i.e., AMP can’t support Hamas outright, so here are some workarounds......

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We infidels must RESPECT AND PROTECT, the human right of 'the moslem' living among us, to support ISLAMIC terrorism to support the noble moslem 'struggle' for Allah's cause FOR WORLD PEACE !! Cheesy

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Who are 'ISIS' ????????

Quote:

Quote:

AND CONSIDER;
The vast majority of these ISIS monsters, are moslems who were lately, living in the suburbs of cities like Sydney and Melbourne [and cities in many other Western nations].

THE LESSON #1;
Even within a political [non-ISLAMIC] 'environment' like Australia;
1/ you can't take ISLAM out of the moslem,
AND,
2/ you can't take the moslem out of ISLAM.

Moslem = = ISLAM

ISLAM = = moslem.

Moslem = = a monstrous human being.

THE LESSON #2;
The laws of a nation like Australia are able to [somewhat] 'constrain' the intent of 'the moslem'.

But the laws and the 'environment' of a nation like Australia will never change [i.e. reform] who 'the moslem' is.

These ISIS monsters,

live among us, here, in Australia.

Thank you, Gough Whitlam [and Malcolm Fraser]! Angry

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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