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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #120 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:01am

Yadda wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

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JAMAL RIFI: Well, look, there is that fear in the community. I wouldn't say it's widespread. But if someone is going to accuse anyone, I reckon the barbaric state is the one who should be accused, because they have targeted in their propaganda campaign our young people in the last two years and used our religion, our peaceful religion as a tool for their political campaign. And if anyone is making our young people to have and harbour these thought and intent to do any damage to anyone in Australia, it is the barbaric state propaganda and it's not the Government. Nevertheless, we need to interact with the Government because there will be set of laws that going to be presented in front of Parliament very soon and we need to discuss the implication of these law on day-to-day activities of ordinary citizen who are in majority are going to be of Islamic faith.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

'Our peaceful religion'
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Today, the whole country will want to express its deep sympathy for David Haines’ family. They have endured the last 18 months of David’s captivity with extraordinary courage.

And now David has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable by an organisation which is the embodiment of evil.

We will hunt down those responsible and bring them to justice, no matter how long it takes.

David Haines was an aid worker. He went into harm’s way not to harm people, but to help his fellow human beings in the hour of their direst need – from the Balkans to the Middle East.

His family spoke of the joy he felt when he learned he had got this job in Syria.

His selflessness, his decency, his burning desire to help others has today cost him his life.

But the whole country, like his grieving family, can be incredibly proud of what he did and what he stood for in his humanitarian mission.

David Haines was a British hero. The fact that an aid worker was taken, held and brutally murdered at the hands of ISIL sums up what this organisation stands for.

They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people, Muslims, Christians, minorities across Iraq and Syria.

They boast of their brutality.
They claim to do this in the name of Islam. That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace.

They are not Muslims. They are monsters
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- British Prime Minister, David Cameron

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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #121 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:45am

Karnal wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

Personally, I find those Muslims no different to people from any other faith. I’m not making this up to prove a point either.

Interesting.

Which other 'faith' has its youth flying overseas to partake in a festival of beheadings, crucifixions, and ritual rape?

I must ask the parson who runs the small 'assembly' at the end of my street to enlighten me about this. It's definitely unfair that while Christian youths are not reported by the media for their rampages of butchery somewhere overseas ~ our Muslim youths are.

That's definitely something we should take up with Paul Barry on Media Watch.

Karnal wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

If those Muslims change, I’ll let you know.

That's not necessary, but thank you for your kind consideration.

For our tax dollars ASIO is keeping the public fully informed of the latest changes on the Muslim Home Front.

It switched from 'High' to 'Extremely High' just this last week. It's like the Bush Fire Potential Alarm Rating.

I've been emailing my local federal MP to have a similar rating implemented to alert us of the likely danger from our local Christian youth, but he's not returning my overtures. Probably on holiday. Or busy arranging more secure protection for himself and staff at his office.

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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #122 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 4:49pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

Personally, I find those Muslims no different to people from any other faith. I’m not making this up to prove a point either.

Interesting.

Which other 'faith' has its youth flying overseas to partake in a festival of beheadings, crucifixions, and ritual rape?

A number of Croatian Catholics and Serbian Orthadox left Australia to join militias in 1990s Balkans conflict.

There, the Serbian side was found guilty of genocide in the newly-founded International Court of Justice. Torture, rape and other human rights violations were not just reported, but proven in court.

Milosevic died before he was found guilty. A number of other high-ranking Serbs were convicted and sentenced. Presumably, the Australian militia-members returned and re-settled back in the Australian community.

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It switched from 'High' to 'Extremely High' just this last week

ASIO has estimated somewhere between 40 and 60 Australians fighting in Syria/Iraq. If you think this justifies the switch to 'Extremely High' (a wartime footing) - with no other information on any actual threats - you're a bigger sucker than I took you for.

These days, I'm rarely surprised. Just to clarify though:

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Australia is at HIGH level of alert.

http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Securityandyourcommunity/Pages/NationalTerror...

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Reply #123 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:23pm

The Bosnian war was about Serbia and Croatia securing additional territory for themselves, with the Bosnian Muslims being seen by the Serbs as flies in the ointment.

It was an afterthought on the part of the Serbs that they massacre these remnant Muslims from the days of the Ottoman Empire.

No one prepared themselves for this conflict by reading their version of the Bible. There was no religious 'radicalisation' either in Yugoslavia or here in Australia.

There was no 'Extreme Danger' of Serbian or Croatian terrorism here in Australia due to Australia supporting the NATO forces.

No doors had to be kicked in by 800 of our federal police at precisely 4am in the morning.

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Reply #124 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:10pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:23pm:

The Bosnian war was about Serbia and Croatia securing additional territory for themselves, with the Bosnian Muslims being seen by the Serbs as flies in the ointment.

It was an afterthought on the part of the Serbs that they massacre these remnant Muslims from the days of the Ottoman Empire.

No one prepared themselves for this conflict by reading their version of the Bible. There was no religious 'radicalisation' either in Yugoslavia or here in Australia.

There was no 'Extreme Danger' of Serbian or Croatian terrorism here in Australia due to Australia supporting the NATO forces.

No doors had to be kicked in by 800 of our federal police at precisely 4am in the morning.

Oh lordy.....Herb i suggest you some research on that Bosnian war criminal Naser Oric who started that war.
The Serbs were only responding to muslim agression and somehow the muslims became the victims just like Palestine,Myanmar,Kashmir,etc

Nice Jihad Nasheed video from Bosnian muslims, this one has english subtitles so you can understand their brains have been infected with this Islam delusion.
Takebeer!

A Bosnian muslim was so butthurt at one of my comments he threatened to chop my head off.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #125 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

'you won't see any muslim denouncing this'

'muslims only outraged about being victimised'

The usual crap we hear being screeched whenever these media circuses happen.

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There were about 100 people at Lakemba station for the protest in response to what organisers say is the Federal Government’s heavy-handed approach to the raids, which resulted in 15 arrests.

About 100 people turned up to this much publisised (and widely condemned) peaceful protest - out of an anticipated 2500 by the protest organisers. Or in other words, a gigantic flop.

To put this into context, this was about 10 times less muslims than those attended at the weekends "muslims 4 Australia" BBQ - organised to reaffirm muslim's rejection of extremism and solidarity with the wider Australian community.

As for the incessant claims that no mainstream leaders are standing up against all this.

Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a
to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night:

muslim bullshit, you know why cops raid places in the early morning ?

it's because that is when everyone is most likely to be home..

no one, no matter how small the meeting was, had a right to protest arrests against suspected terrorists.

"Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL"

isil is a sunni shia thing isn't it, is rifi a shia ?

or is rifi a sunni committing taqqiya ? you know telling the "permitted lie" a lie that is permitted if it furthers the cause of islam..

or is rifi forreal ?

and if he is forreal, that doesn't mean a damn thing in the scheme of things, not when you have imams preaching jihad, and not when so called extreme imams visit Australia to preach jihad..

and whats this poo about "moderates" and
"extremists" ?

you all have the same false god and the same disgusting scriptures..

mohammed himself was a murderous marauding thieving killer who murdered innocents in the name of the false god that he himself created..

mohammed himself was essentially the very first Islamic terrorist, but you bastards would never say mohammed was an extremist would you.

todays Islamic terrorists are not extremists, they are devout, they walk in the exact same path as mohammed, they obey the exact same jihad commandments that mohammed and his gullible warriors did..

this is why NONE of you, the whole world over NEVER denounce Islamic terrorists, telling them to stop what they are doing.

so don't bullshit about extremism saying islam is a religion of peace and has been hijacked, that is the biggest lie of them all.

the sooner the world is rid of this filthy murderous racist paedophile loving bullshit religion, the bloody better.

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im not a communist or a greenie (same thing really)

my political judgements are based on commonsense, and fairness.

do-gooders can go and jump

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138964 Gender:	Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims Reply #126 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:55pm crazychris wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:52pm: the sooner the world is rid of this filthy murderous racist paedophile loving bullshit religion, the bloody better. Yes, Catholicism certainly has its bad side.
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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #127 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:07pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:34am:

Shiite and Sunni defending a town against ISIL:

So—what stereotype applies here?

the stereo type is that for 1400 years, muslims having been murdering each other, sunni against shia, muslim arabs against black muslims (darfur)

they kill each other in war, in honour killings, under sharia law..

they have never had peace amongst themselves, and yet we are ludicrously suppose to believe that islam is a religion of peace, and even more ludicrous, that these people who are bound by their belief in allah and his commandments, can live in peace with US..

even when it's allahs commandment that we are not to be tolerated and are to be killed..

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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #128 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:55pm:

crazychris wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:52pm:

the sooner the world is rid of this filthy murderous racist paedophile loving bullshit religion, the bloody better.

Yes, Catholicism certainly has its bad side.

you think that's some kind of argument ?

the catholic church murdered and tortured 500 million people throughout history..

but the catholic church has nothing to do with Christianity, Christianity does not preach death to unbelievers, you wont find death preached in the new testament..

where as islam doe's teach death to unbelievers in their scriptures as a commandment from allah.

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my political view is not left or right.

im not a communist or a greenie (same thing really)

my political judgements are based on commonsense, and fairness.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42248	Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims Reply #129 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23am crazychris wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:10pm: Christianity does not preach death to unbelievers, you wont find death preached in the new testament.. You obviously haven't read The Bible very closely, have you Matty? Matthew 5:43-44 Matthew 10:34-36 Luke 19:27
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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #130 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 1:35am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23am:

crazychris wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:

Christianity does not preach death to unbelievers, you wont find death preached in the new testament..

You obviously haven't read The Bible very closely, have you Matty?

Matthew 5:43-44
Matthew 10:34-36
Luke 19:27

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Matthew 5:43-44Matthew

5:43-44King James Version (KJV)

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

so what's so bad about that ?
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Matthew 10:34-36

it's not about war or killing, it is about how religion can split families when some believe and others don't.

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Luke 19:27 this is a part of a parable, it is not doctrinal and does not demand that believers are to kill unbelievers.

why bring up stuff you obviously misunderstand and even take out of context by not adding the verses from before and after, or indeed not reading the whole chapters..

your attempt to debate is a failure. there are no commandments in the new testament to go out and kill the unbelievers.

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Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Reply #131 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:19pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that, like many Australians, Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. That's because your mind, like most on the left, is totally consumed beyond any other consideration by hatred for Abbott.
What a narrow view of the world!

I really hope he isn't that deluded. I'd prefer is was politics rather than a genuine position because at least then the leader of Australia would be acting rationally.

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Reply #132 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 8:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

'you won't see any muslim denouncing this'

'muslims only outraged about being victimised'

The usual crap we hear being screeched whenever these media circuses happen.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lakemba-protest-by-muslims-who-believe-a...

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There were about 100 people at Lakemba station for the protest in response to what organisers say is the Federal Government’s heavy-handed approach to the raids, which resulted in 15 arrests.

About 100 people turned up to this much publisised (and widely condemned) peaceful protest - out of an anticipated 2500 by the protest organisers. Or in other words, a gigantic flop.

To put this into context, this was about 10 times less muslims than those attended at the weekends "muslims 4 Australia" BBQ - organised to reaffirm muslim's rejection of extremism and solidarity with the wider Australian community.

As for the incessant claims that no mainstream leaders are standing up against all this.

Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

Aren't there already a few of our Muslims in jail for funding their fellow Muslim's jihad tickets? I hope they get them all. Thanks for bringing this one to our attention Gandalf.

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