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Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am

'you won't see any muslim denouncing this'

'muslims only outraged about being victimised'

The usual crap we hear being screeched whenever these media circuses happen.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lakemba-protest-by-muslims-who-believe-a...

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There were about 100 people at Lakemba station for the protest in response to what organisers say is the Federal Government’s heavy-handed approach to the raids, which resulted in 15 arrests.

About 100 people turned up to this much publisised (and widely condemned) peaceful protest - out of an anticipated 2500 by the protest organisers. Or in other words, a gigantic flop.

To put this into context, this was about 10 times less muslims than those attended at the weekends "muslims 4 Australia" BBQ - organised to reaffirm muslim's rejection of extremism and solidarity with the wider Australian community.

As for the incessant claims that no mainstream leaders are standing up against all this.

Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims Reply #1 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:10am I don't think the msm are allowed to ask the Islam leaders otherwise you'd see them on Q&A and other ABC or SBS programs. The powers to be don't want the word getting out that it's only a few radicals that cause trouble, that would up-end their agenda entirely.
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Reply #2 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:20am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

I don't think the msm are allowed to ask the Islam leaders otherwise you'd see them on Q&A and other ABC or SBS programs. The powers to be don't want the word getting out that it's only a few radicals that cause trouble, that would up-end their agenda entirely.

What planet are you on?

I've never seen a section of the community that has so many leaders.

There would have been at least 5 or 6 interviewed about the raids on the news last night.

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Reply #3 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:23am

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JAMAL RIFI: Well, look, there is that fear in the community. I wouldn't say it's widespread. But if someone is going to accuse anyone, I reckon the barbaric state is the one who should be accused, because they have targeted in their propaganda campaign our young people in the last two years and used our religion, our peaceful religion as a tool for their political campaign. And if anyone is making our young people to have and harbour these thought and intent to do any damage to anyone in Australia, it is the barbaric state propaganda and it's not the Government. Nevertheless, we need to interact with the Government because there will be set of laws that going to be presented in front of Parliament very soon and we need to discuss the implication of these law on day-to-day activities of ordinary citizen who are in majority are going to be of Islamic faith.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

'Our peaceful religion'
???

gandalf,

It is not difficult to prove that there are many places within ISLAM's own foundation texts, the Koran and the Hadith, which give the lie to moslem protestations [e.g. like the lie which has been - WILFULLY - uttered by JAMAL RIFI], that ISLAM is a peaceful religion.

It is very, very apparent, that ISLAM does COMMAND moslems, to oppress and to persecute and to kill, disbelievers, because they are not moslems.

gandalf,

When are you moslems going to start telling the truth, about the type of relationship which ISLAM mandates that the moslem must have, with all disbelievers ?

Never ?

THE TRUTH IS;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

THE TRUTH IS THAT;

Every moslem expresses reverence for Mohammed - THE WARMONGER.

Why is that ?

ISLAMIC law texts - pronouncing death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #4 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:36am

"Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims"

Nothing is debunked about - LYING - mainstream moslems.

All moslems are malicious, filthy lying dogs, who are intentionally misrepresenting ISLAM, to naive non-moslems.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #5 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:07am

How many non-Muslims turned up to the Lakemba anti-government terrorism initiatives protest?

None?

That's the difference, and it's the only difference that matters.

Well over 100 different ethnicities in Sydney ~ yet none of them joined the protest in support.

What does this tell us?

It's the same with the jihadists who want to mass-murder us at our sporting venues, etc. It doesn't take the whole Muslim community to carry out those actions. It only needs a few from the Muslim Community.

I don't go to restaurants where the government's Food Inspectors tolerate the occasional fatality from food poisoning because they don't want to upset the 'sensitivities' of the chef's ethnic community if he were to be shut down.

It is utterly appalling ~ and revealing ~ that Muslims in Australia are coming together to protest the government's efforts to winkle out the killers amongst them.

"Oh, but why US? Why not any other ethnic community?"

Yeah! S'not fair!

Why not the Chinese community? Or the Hare Krishna community? Or the Kookaburra Fanciers Association?

Come on, gandalf. There's no getting away from the fact we are all having to deal with a phenomenon that has its direct link with fundamentalist Islam.

The more you struggle against this reality, the more you tighten the knots that bind you to a false loyalty. Cool

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We ain't seen nothin' yet from our government, but this is all about to change.

Their sense of security has been breached by word that they have become a target.

The Fury of the Valkyries is now about to descend upon Australia's mosques, prayer halls, Islamic schools, bookshops, health studios, ghetto neighbourhoods, etc. No stone will be left unturned now that it is the politicians themselves who are under threat.

And it's about bloody time.

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Reply #6 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am

gandalf Quote:

.........Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm.....

good on him

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Reply #7 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:38am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

Good on him. Where are the death threats coming from? Surely not from other adherents of the religion of peace?

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Reply #8 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:00am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

good on him

His efforts have exposed for all to see the lie that says this threat does not have its origins in the Muslim community and the barbarian religion they take their authority from.

Rifi is simply confirming that the problem is nothing other than successive Australian governments having stupidly introduced Islam into our national life.

But the good news is that at long last a group of our Australian Muslims is turning their attention to bombing the federal parliament.

Now that they fear for their own lives, this could presage the beginning of some very serious thinking on the part of our politicians. It's amazing how a shift in perspective can concentrate the mind.

Watch this space. We live in interesting times.

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Reply #9 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:06am

Yabba wrote- Quote:

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

How many gods do bible bashers believe in Einstein? Roll Eyes

For every line you want to pull out of the Koran there is an example in the bible like an eye for an eye, you must be blind by now, Yabba. Don't bother giving me the Old Testament sh it, if the bible bashers that follow the jubus fairy tale didn't accept the Old Testament they would have discarded it. Roll Eyes

All religion is a dumb crutch for people afraid of dying.

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Reply #10 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

good on him

His efforts have exposed for all to see the lie that says this threat does not have its origins in the Muslim community and the barbarian religion they take their authority from.

Rifi is simply confirming that the problem is nothing other than successive Australian governments having stupidly introduced Islam into our national life.

But the good news is that at long last a group of our Australian Muslims is turning their attention to bombing the federal parliament.

Now that they fear for their own lives, this could presage the beginning of some very serious thinking on the part of our politicians. It's amazing how a shift in perspective can concentrate the mind.

Watch this space. We live in interesting times.

Currently their focus remains on getting that pay check, once their children become the targets to getting the message across some may think past themselves!

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Reply #12 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:17am

Datalife wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

Good on him. Where are the death threats coming from? Surely not from other adherents of the religion of peace?

Well, they're certainly not coming from my local White Boys down here in the Deep South... or even our Black neighbours...

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Reply #13 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

good on him

His efforts have exposed for all to see the lie that says this threat does not have its origins in the Muslim community and the barbarian religion they take their authority from.

Rifi is simply confirming that the problem is nothing other than successive Australian governments having stupidly introduced Islam into our national life.

But the good news is that at long last a group of our Australian Muslims is turning their attention to bombing the federal parliament.

Now that they fear for their own lives, this could presage the beginning of some very serious thinking on the part of our politicians. It's amazing how a shift in perspective can concentrate the mind.

Watch this space. We live in interesting times.

Currently their focus remains on getting that pay check, once their children become the targets to getting the message across some may think past themselves!

Tony's got three daughters.. I would trust he doesn't want them to be converted to I-Slam... or used as an example of what radical can and will do given the chance.

The radical elements need to be torn out root and branch, and the 'mainstream' introduced as near totally as possible to OUR standards and values.

Any non-peaceful ones are welcome to discuss the issue with Allah personally..... after all, that's the general thrust of 'jurisprudence' in those countries governed by Sharia etc law - if we make a mistake, Allah will set it right in Paradise.... so send 'em all to the wall.

reprise:-

Allah:- "So Makmud bin Peasluva.. why are you here out of turn?"

Machmud:- "The ayatollah decided I'd committed a sin based on false evidence, and I was shot like a dog."

Allah:- "Ah, I see. Let me check the records. Oh, yes, that Ayatollah makes a few mistakes.. one of which is assuming that voice in his head is Me.... I'll need to have a chat with him and soon. Meantime, accept fifty extra virgins and flowing wines for Eternity.. virgins have a one-use.. fire and forget - so the supply is endless... It's that old Allah magic."

Mahmud:- "Thank you, O Great One. I am your true servant!"

Allah:- "Jabriel... get me that Obama character on the line.. we need some A-10s on call... for that Ayatollah. He needs a good shot up the arse, sort of a dose of salts."

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Reply #14 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Everyone - take a chill pill -

Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims.

It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. Roll Eyes

divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. Roll Eyes

Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap.

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