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Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Reply #165 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.

Nope. I'm asking an honest question. I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is. Roll Eyes

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren? Well? Roll Eyes

It would seem the old boy now deems speculative questions to be verboten.

Hear that, FD? The old boy thinks speculative questions are verboten.

Sometimes a question is just a question, you know.

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Reply #166 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.

Nope. I'm asking an honest question. I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is. Roll Eyes

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren? Well? Roll Eyes

Identifying someone's race is not racism. Identifying cultural traits that are shared by certain races is not racist. Criticising and disliking a religion or any other belief system is not bigoted.

Lumping questions about race and ideology together, as you do, is really stupid because one is a matter of personal, conscious choice and the other isn't.

Adhering to particular cultural traits that are closely identified with a particular race is also a conscious, personal choice. So if you are a black man, nobody can fault you for that. But if you are, say, an American black man and you abandon your children (almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers), then you are making a conscious choice and and it is your responsibility. People noticing and speaking out loud about the fact that an awful lot of black American men do this is not racist at all.
Avoiding the toxic ghetto culture is also a personal choice. In the end, are black men (and women) responsible for the state of black culture in America? Yes. Only them? No. But mostly.

Cultivating a belief system - which is what religion is - is a conscious decision. If you join the Labor Party, any criticism of it will reflect on your choice - as will any praise. Not every member of the Labor Party is like Kevin Rudd? Great. But I can still criticise the Labor Party and do not need to qualify my criticism with "but not everyone in the Labor Party is like Kevni". I can even say that anyone who joins the Labor Party is suspect. Or the Liberal Party, if that's your bend, Or the Greens, Commies, Nazis, Catholics, Scientologists, atheists.
You don't have to like every belief system and you CAN say that certain ideological choices are suspect. Especially if what you are treating with disdain is in the party manifestos and the sacreed texts and are borne out by the words and deed of the adherents.

Your sniffing for heresy and yapping about 'not every member of [your ideology here] is like every other member" is ludicrous.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96367	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #167 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 2:18pm That's right, old boy. Correlation not causation, innit. The tinted races are only statistically inferior. That's not racism. That's science.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #168 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 2:41pm +Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 2:18pm: That's right, old boy. Correlation not causation, innit. The tinted races are only statistically inferior. That's not racism. That's science. Thank you idiot, I can see you understood.
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Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Reply #169 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 3:10pm

Soren wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

+Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

That's right, old boy. Correlation not causation, innit.

The tinted races are only statistically inferior.

That's not racism. That's science.

Thank you idiot, I can see you understood.

No disagreement there, old chap.

Good to see you concur.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #170 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:01pm Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Good to see you concur. I concur! You are an idiot kernel!
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Reply #171 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:19pm

Adamant wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Good to see you concur.

I concur!

You are an idiot kernel!

That’s old boy post number one, Caliph. That’s old faithful.

Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write idiot and leave it at that. It inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best in people.

Food for thought, eh?

Miam miam.

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Reply #172 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:54am

Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Good to see you concur.

I concur!

You are an idiot kernel!

That’s old boy post number one, Caliph. That’s old faithful.

Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write idiot and leave it at that. It inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best in people.

Food for thought, eh?

Miam miam.

Says the numero uno gibberish poster.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96367	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #173 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:25am Old boy, you’re doubling up. Gibberish and idiot are the same post. Get with the program, old boy.
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #174 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:54am Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:19pm: Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write STOOL and leave it at that. STOOL inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best STOOL in people. STOOL for thought, eh Kernel?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96367	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #175 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 9:27am It most certainly is food for thought. I love a good STOOL, me. I share this with the old boy, a self-confessed Freudian. Quite brave, I feel. You simply must have one if the old boy offers, Caliph. He uses his Mormor’s recipe.
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Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Reply #176 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 9:30am

Adamant wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write STOOL and leave it at that. STOOL inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best STOOL in people.

STOOL for thought, eh Kernel?

Sorry, did you say STOOL? I thought you said stollen!

Still, one does need somewhere nice to sit, you know.

Danish modern, innit.

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Reply #177 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm

Soren wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.

Nope. I'm asking an honest question. I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is. Roll Eyes

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren? Well? Roll Eyes

Identifying someone's race is not racism. Identifying cultural traits that are shared by certain races is not racist.

Ah, so the use of the pejorative "n_i_g_g_e_r" isn't "racist" then, Soren?

Identifying their "race" isn't racist, I'll admit but identifying it with a pejorative, insulting term is, isn't it? Roll Eyes

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Criticising and disliking a religion or any other belief system is not bigoted.

Surely it is, after you keep repeating the same views, despite them being shown to be incorrect and pejorative, Soren? If you were making such views known once or even twice, I'd agree, they weren't bigoted but making them continuously and knowing they are because of pejorative beliefs, not facts, would be, now wouldn't it, Soren?

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Lumping questions about race and ideology together, as you do, is really stupid because one is a matter of personal, conscious choice and the other isn't.

Ah, but in this context, I have not. I have carefully separated them out, now haven't, I, Soren, to prevent you from deliberately conflating them as you usually do. So, why are you adverse to answering the questions?

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Adhering to particular cultural traits that are closely identified with a particular race is also a conscious, personal choice. So if you are a black man, nobody can fault you for that. But if you are, say, an American black man and you abandon your children (almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers), then you are making a conscious choice and and it is your responsibility. People noticing and speaking out loud about the fact that an awful lot of black American men do this is not racist at all.

Ah, so this justifies calling them "n_i_g_g_e_r_s", does it, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Avoiding the toxic ghetto culture is also a personal choice. In the end, are black men (and women) responsible for the state of black culture in America? Yes. Only them? No. But mostly.

So, you admit that the surrounding white culture and of course it's history of it's interaction with black culture has some hand in forming this "toxic ghetto culture"?

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Cultivating a belief system - which is what religion is - is a conscious decision. If you join the Labor Party, any criticism of it will reflect on your choice - as will any praise. Not every member of the Labor Party is like Kevin Rudd? Great. But I can still criticise the Labor Party and do not need to qualify my criticism with "but not everyone in the Labor Party is like Kevni". I can even say that anyone who joins the Labor Party is suspect. Or the Liberal Party, if that's your bend, Or the Greens, Commies, Nazis, Catholics, Scientologists, atheists.
You don't have to like every belief system and you CAN say that certain ideological choices are suspect. Especially if what you are treating with disdain is in the party manifestos and the sacreed texts and are borne out by the words and deed of the adherents.

Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then? So, if you blame the entire Labor Party for say, the mistakes of it's leader, Kevin Rudd, despite the general membership actually having very little ability to select the Parliamentary Leader, is OK?

So, if a single Muslim decides to go on a murderous rampage because of a mental health problem you're content with blaming his religion, yet when a single Christian decides to go a murderous rampage because of a mental health problem, you're content not to blame his religion? And because you blame the Muslim's religion for his actions, therefore you believe all Muslims are of course responsible for what ever crime he has committed but not all Christians are for the the crimes of the Christian?

Do you detect any inconsistency in that approach as a Psychiatrist?

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Your sniffing for heresy and yapping about 'not every member of [your ideology here] is like every other member" is ludicrous.

Is it? Or have I exposed the inconsistencies and of course contradictions in your think, again, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #178 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:31pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm: Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then? No, dickhead, I believe in taking responsibility for what you believe in. After all, it is an entirely free choice. You believe in Islam? You are responsible for that belief. Got it? Probably not.
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Reply #179 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:58am

Soren wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then?

No, dickhead, I believe in taking responsibility for what you believe in. After all, it is an entirely free choice.

You believe in Islam? You are responsible for that belief.

Got it?

Probably not.

So, they are not responsible for the actions of what their fellow co-religionists have done? I just want to be clear.

Now, why don't you answer the other points I've made, Soren?

I enjoy exploring your belief system, which of course you are solely responsible for, right?

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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