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Reply #405 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:43pm
 
The Critics of Islam Were Right: An Apology to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris, Bill Maher and Other So-Called Islamophobes


BY MIKE DOBBINS , CP GUEST CONTRIBUTOR
April 13, 2015|1:38 pm

Radical Islam's War on Christians
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For years I was an apologist for Islam, as regrettably, many still remain. I only read books and believed those who painted Islam in a peaceful, glowing light. I made excuses for radical Muslims and lived in a flood of denial that religious teachings could still, in this modern age of drones and clones, motivate a person to commit evil. I criticized the numerous atheists including Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris, and Bill Maher warning of the dangers inherent in Islamic doctrines, recklessly labeling them Islamophobes.

Today I'm writing to say I'm sorry, I apologize, and I ask for your forgiveness. We who have blindly defended Islam and called you Islamophobes are tragically wrong.

My mind first began to change last May when I read an interview by Sam Harris with Ayaan Hirsi Ali in which she addresses the misapplication of the term Islamophobia. This article, along with the seeds atheists planted over the years urging me to do more research, motivated me to delve into the religion. I read the Quran, many Hadith, the biography of Muhammad, the history of Jihad, and Islamic law. This is what I learned:

The critics of Islam are right. Islam is intrinsically, alarmingly violent, hateful and oppressive on a scale greater than all other major religions combined. To say that radical Islamists are motivated to commit atrocities and embrace oppression based on religious doctrine is the understatement of the century.

I, like most defenders of Islam, was ignorant, naïve, and in denial. I wrongly assumed all holy books have enough good messages to offset the bad. I wrongly assumed that, like Jesus, Muhammad promoted peace, love, and non-violence. I wrongly assumed criticism of Islam equates to criticism of all Muslims.

While I apologize to those wrongly labeled Islamophobes, my biggest apology is owed to Muslims. Muslims have needlessly suffered under oppressive Islamic religious and political doctrines as thousands of uninformed smearests like myself rushed to judge and silence critics of Islam. By not acknowledging the Islamic link to radical violence and hate, smearests have unwittingly allowed it to spread. The smearests, denialists, and the naïve have, unknowingly, turned their back on moderate Muslims and a reformed, peaceful Islam.

We who have carelessly thrown around the Islamophobe label including Glen Greenwald, Reza Aslan, and Karen Armstrong should lower our heads in shame and guilt. Few things are as morally depraved as attacking someone who criticizes Islam (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) rather than attacking the Islamic apostasy and blasphemy laws teaching Muslims they should kill her. We must now live with the knowledge that we've abandoned and betrayed our principles. Though we claim the mantle of human rights, free speech and equality, we lack the courage of our convictions when it offends someone. We make the cowardly lion look like Churchill.

In reality, those who criticize Islam, especially reform minded Muslims, are the bravest of the brave. They are literally putting their lives at risk by the simple act of criticizing the Quran, Muhammad, and Sharia.

It is the critics of Islam who are working steadfastly for equality and human rights for Muslims as apologists wallow in denial.

While we smearests have obsessed over shielding Islam from criticism, so-called Islamophobes were courageously standing up to oppressive Islamic doctrines and practices. While we smearests were unwittingly misinforming the public and deluding ourselves by not making the connection between Islamic religious teachings and Islamic hate and violence, so-called Islamophobes were connecting the dots and looking for solutions. While we smearests were busy tarnishing critics as bigots and racists, so called Islamophobes were busy defending equality of women, gays, and minorities, protecting free speech and religion, and advocating an end to cruel and unusual punishments.

Labeling every critic of Islam an Islamophobe has seriously diminished the smearests credibility. By grouping valid critics of Islam with bigots we water downed the meaning of Islamophobe and appear cruel and repressive of free speech.

Criticizing the Quran and Muhammad is not criticizing or stereotyping the Muslim minority just as criticizing The Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith is not criticizing or stereotyping the Mormon minority. When people criticize the Mormon holy book or prophet, rightfully, there is no attempt to shield Mormonism from criticism or smear the critics as Mormonophobes.

No religion, book, prophet, law, or God, no matter how sacredly held by the follower, is exempt from criticism. No religious belief or doctrine receives preferential treatment in a free society. Either all religions, books, and prophets are open to criticism or none are. We either live in a free society or tyrannical one.
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Reply #406 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:44pm
 
Islam is a manmade religion (emphasis on the man part) and like all manmade religions, has serious moral shortcomings and requires rigorous criticism. Rather than self-censoring and abiding by Islamic blasphemy laws, we should be defending the importance of free speech, encouraging Islam to purge itself of blasphemy laws, and demonstrating the benefits free speech can bring to Islam.

Now, we smearests must make up for lost time and lost chances. We must double our efforts to criticize oppressive Islamic practices, doctrines, and regimes and demand reform. We must embrace Muslims who truly are moderate, acknowledge the faults in Islam, and are striving for coexistence, peace, equality, human rights, and freedom of expression and worship. All non-Muslims can support Muslims best by doing the same.

But by no means take my word for it. You owe it to yourself to do your own research and see if you too find a connection between Islamic teachings and Islamic violence and hate. I challenge everyone, especially smearests, to read the Quran, biographies of Muhammad, the history of Jihad, and the political ideology of Islam.

Perhaps you too will notice the Quran's recurring theme of hating non-believers and the desert like absence of loving and inclusive passages to offset the vile and violent ones.

Perhaps you too will notice how Muhammad's violent life mirrors that of members of the Islamic State and that it would be dangerous for any person to follow in Muhammad's footsteps.

Perhaps you too will notice how there is no separation of Church and State in Islam and that most Islamic governments place Islamic law above Secular law.

It would be one thing if Islamic doctrines said Muslims should love non-Muslims and love their enemy. It would be one thing if the prophet Muhammad preached non-violence. It would be one thing if Islamic Laws supported equality for women, minorities, freedom of expression, and valued human rights. It would be one thing if the Quran taught the golden rule.

It is because they do the complete opposite that I am now speaking out.


Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-critics-of-islam-were-right-an-apology-to-ayaan-hirsi-ali-sam-harris-bill-maher-and-other-so-called-islamophobes-137416/#JpJGotAEtRcfiyV6.99
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Reply #407 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm
 
mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?





Not the vast majority of them, no.



The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.



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Reply #408 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:54pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?





Not the vast majority of them, no.



The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish.




Non-Muslim criminals are flourishing too, Sore End.

Are you the problem?

Why are you not "eradicating" them?

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Reply #409 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:29pm
 
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I blame Soren for this guy.

Soren's political ideology is virtually identical with his.

When has Soren ever condemned his actions?

Has Soren ever stood up and categorically stated that violence, threat of violence or incitement to violence against muslims is unacceptable and should be condemned?

Soren gives veiled consent to intimidation and harassment of muslims.

I blame Soren for this guy - personally.
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Reply #410 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:29pm:
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I blame Soren for this guy.

Soren's political ideology is virtually identical with his.

When has Soren ever condemned his actions?

Has Soren ever stood up and categorically stated that violence, threat of violence or incitement to violence against muslims is unacceptable and should be condemned?

Soren gives veiled consent to intimidation and harassment of muslims.

I blame Soren for this guy - personally.






Well, he is a Scando.
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Reply #411 - Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?


Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!

This would also explain what the Christians are doing about Joseph Kony and his followers in Africa or the Westboro Baptist Church, now wouldn't it?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #412 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am
 
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

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Reply #413 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:57am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:47pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:29pm:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/breivik.jpg

I blame Soren for this guy.

Soren's political ideology is virtually identical with his.

When has Soren ever condemned his actions?

Has Soren ever stood up and categorically stated that violence, threat of violence or incitement to violence against muslims is unacceptable and should be condemned?

Soren gives veiled consent to intimidation and harassment of muslims.

I blame Soren for this guy - personally.






Well, he is a Scando.


Well, we have to say a person of Scatological origin, dear. It’s much less offensive.
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Reply #414 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:58am
 
moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

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Reply #415 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 12:01pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:58am:
moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

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Reply #416 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:00pm
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 12:01pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:58am:
moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

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Reply #417 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?


Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!



Well, if the shia regard the sunnis as their 'fellow Muslims'.

It is a sunni-shia civil war, numpty.
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Reply #418 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:40pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?


Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!


Well, if the shia regard the sunnis as their 'fellow Muslims'.

It is a sunni-shia civil war, numpty.


Yes but that is the point, now isn't it, Soren?  Sunni and Sh'ia are both Muslims, now aren't they?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #419 - Apr 18th, 2015 at 2:10pm
 
Both sides are commanded to kill each other in islam. Sunni and Sh'ia consider each other as hypocrites and corrupters.

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qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,


muslims and their apologists try to tell us that 5.32 is proof that islam is a religion of peace (they cherry pick the *who kills a soul* line), when in fact it is part and parcel of two verses which clearly teach that it is the islamic duty of muslims to torture and murder those you consider are causing corruption.

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Who causes corruption and is worthy of torture and murder?

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qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.


People who say they are believers, but are not believers. In other words (hypocrites), they are corrupters.

islam preaches that muslims are to torture and murder hypocrites / corrupters.

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more direct qur'an references to who / what is a hypocrite or corrupter.

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qur'an 3.167: And that He might make evident those who are hypocrites. For it was said to them, "Come, fight in the way of Allah or [at least] defend." They said, "If we had known [there would be] fighting, we would have followed you." They were nearer to disbelief that day than to faith, saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts. And Allah is most Knowing of what they conceal


muslims who don't go and fight are hypocrites / corrupters, this opens the door for muslims to torture and kill them, as 5.32 & 5.33 teach

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qur'an 4.88: What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].


allah has made certain people hypocrites, muslims can not guide them. muslims can't guide them, what can they do with them? Well 5.32 & 5.33 tells us the islamic way, the old muslim torture and kill trick

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qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.


Hypocrites / disbelievers will lead muslims astray, don't take them as allies, torture and kill them instead

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qur'an 4.138: Give tidings to the hypocrites that there is for them a painful punishment -

qur'an 4.145: Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire - and never will you find for them a helper

qur'an 9.68: Allah has promised the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the disbelievers the fire of Hell, wherein they will abide eternally. It is sufficient for them. And Allah has cursed them, and for them is an enduring punishment.

qur'an 9.101: And among those around you of the bedouins are hypocrites, and [also] from the people of Madinah. They have become accustomed to hypocrisy. You, [O Muhammad], do not know them, [but] We know them. We will punish them twice [in this world]; then they will be returned to a great punishment.

qur'an 33.73: [It was] so that Allah may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the men and women who associate others with Him and that Allah may accept repentance from the believing men and believing women. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

qur'an 48.6: And [that] He may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women, and the polytheist men and polytheist women - those who assume about Allah an assumption of evil nature. Upon them is a misfortune of evil nature; and Allah has become angry with them and has cursed them and prepared for them Hell, and evil it is as a destination.


All of the above preach hatred an death to the hypocrite / corrupter.

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