mothra wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 10:49pm:


It must have something to do with his religion. You know, like the Muselman.

I blame Martin Luther.

Islamophobic attacks rocket by 500% since Charlie Hebdo murders.

Canadian Muslims learn to deal with Islamophobia.

Vandals scrawl anti-Islamic graffiti on walls of Sikh temple.

Islamophobia soars in France

Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamo...

John_Taverner wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:


No problem, JT, it’s always absolutely never ever.

Facts don’t come into it.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:


Now now, old chap, we’re all friends here.Stool or no stool, I’m always on your side - always absolutely never ever.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 9:15am:



Islam is not people, it is a religion and a political ideology. Completely disagreeing and disliking its every tenet is not irrational, not bigoted and the case against Islam can be and is made quite rationally.

Muslims are people. Hating and fearing every Muslims should be called Muslimophobia. That would be the proper phobia for you to rail against.
The parallel would be criticism of Judaism or Zionism  - and denouncing of every Jew, no matter how they relate to Judaism (religion) or Zionism (political ideology). Or to criticise Christianity - and hate every Christian.

But the Islamophobia mongers deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to concede that there may be rational criticism of Islam - thereby ceding the ground to reason ahead of Allah.  ANd we can't have that, can we?

SO what is not right, no matter how many times you try it, is washing together ideology and people. The term Islamophobia was coined, however, precisely for this dishonest reason, to conflate the ideology and the people and so to shut up and condemn any and all criticism of Islam unless you want to be immediate labelled bigoted and irrational.  I am not buying this, Gandy, no matter how often you try to do it.

If you want to defend Muslims, talk about Muslimophobia. But talk of 'Islamophobia' is an illiberal, vindictive, fascistic ruse.

SO Gandy, as you can see from the immediate and predictably stupid response of the Islamophobia mongers  - they deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to cede the ground to reason. And what they are incapable of, above everything else, is mounting a coherent, reasoned response.



polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 9:15am:


The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.

Were you to have the intelligence and integrity, you would make a conscious distinction between criticism of ideas and criticism of people. But that way you would have to make reasoned arguments, rather than peddle victimhood and irrationality and emotional incontinence.

There you go, G. Reason.

Miam miam.