Soren wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 12:04pm:


Thanks, old boy, you just gave me one.

Reason. You do love a giggle, no?

Miam miam.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 9:15am:



Outstanding post.

Soren wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 10:15am:


Good grief.

What did I say in my post soren? Reccommend you actually pay attention to whats said before launching your tirades about what I didn't say.

I was talking specifically about lies brought up in order to smear Islam and muslims. I gave you a couple of examples. But it happens literally every day - right here - blatant porky pies in the name of smearing Islam and muslims. So lets relate this back to your "point" here shall we - what you are saying is that when I kick up a stink about Yadda making thread titles out of blatant lies, or people posting videos widely circulated as "muslims" hacking people up - when in reality its non-muslims hacking muslims - you call that me not "liking the flack generated by my own stupidity". Thats what you are saying. I'll just leave it there and let it sink in...

you know what, I'm tired of these BS antics.

Soren has the hide to lecture me about "spinning a ruse" about Islam - when his side of the debate is so heavilly invested in propagating lies. We see it here every single day, and that is in no way an exaggeration.

Most of us here recall the 'Oslo ring of peace' circus - where FD claimed the moral high ground by getting all high and mighty about what is and isn't a 'line' - all the while making the most outrageously baseless claim that the entire story was a conspiracy to deflect attention away from the recent murders in Stockholm. And seemingly blissfully unaware that making such dogmatic assertions about a story which it turns out he had no comprehension of the most basic facts, and even less willingness to learn - might pose a bit of a problem.

Then there's Yadda who day in day out tirelessly lectures us about muslim deceit and lies - while at the same time starts threads with such laughably obvious lies like '10% of all Norwegian women have been raped by muslims".

When are you lot going to learn that propagating lies is not just rampant amongst Islam-critics, but is actually so essential for the survival of Islamophobia the current form of Islam criticism? Soren has the temerity to lecture me about the need to take legitimate criticism of Islam seriously - apparently unaware that its the rampant lies being perpetuated so liberally by his side of the debate that is the single biggest obstacle to such legitimate criticism being accepted.

This latest tirade by Soren says it all really - it just shows how genuine he is about the 'legitimate debate' that he claims to champion. Such dreadful mischaracterisation of my point (that saying lies by Islam critics is damaging legitimate criticism amounts to me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity" - normally would just seem a simple oversight, but its clear such willful misrepresentation is part and parcel of his "methods" here. I mean, if you went up to some neutral party - someone not invested in any way in this particular issue - and told them that rampant lies designed to maliciously smear Islam and muslims, is not really important in stifling legitimate criticism of Islam - and moreover, its the muslims who complain about these lies who are the real hindrance to the debate - how do you think he would respond? Something along the lines of 'you're a bloody idiot' seems high on the cards.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 8:21pm:


My tirade?!?!  Get a grip, Gandy.


What I ACTUALLY posted:



Islam is not people, it is a religion and a political ideology. Completely disagreeing and disliking its every tenet is not irrational, not bigoted and the case against Islam can be and is made quite rationally.

Muslims are people. Hating and fearing every Muslims should be called Muslimophobia. That would be the proper phobia for you to rail against.
The parallel would be criticism of Judaism or Zionism  - and denouncing of every Jew, no matter how they relate to Judaism (religion) or Zionism (political ideology). Or to criticise Christianity - and hate every Christian.

But the Islamophobia mongers deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to concede that there may be rational criticism of Islam - thereby ceding the ground to reason ahead of Allah.






"Islamophobia" is BS. Stop peddling it.

Getting all emotionally incontinent doesn't make Islamophobia OK. It is still BS. Emoting just makes you look like a BS merchant with minimal self-critical insight into your own situation and psychology.

Soren wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 8:30pm:


Third course: self-critical insight.

Thanks, old boy, I’m full.