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Reply #495 - May 5^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia -

I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices

Koran

I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran

Mohammed

I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad

jihad

I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence

segregation and subjugation of women

I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam

doctrines on apostasy

I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment

doctrines on dhimmis

I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state

superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine

Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism... That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #496 - May 5^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia -

I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices

Koran

I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran

Mohammed

I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad

jihad

I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence

segregation and subjugation of women

I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam

doctrines on apostasy

I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment

doctrines on dhimmis

I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state

superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine

The old boy meant that as a rhetorical question, G. He's playing the old swicheroo.

But seeing how you answered, there can be only one response to your reply.

Google: taqiyya.

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Reply #497 - May 5^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia -

I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices

Koran

I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran

Mohammed

I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad

jihad

I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence

segregation and subjugation of women

I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam

doctrines on apostasy

I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment

doctrines on dhimmis

I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state

superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine

Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism... That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren. Roll Eyes

See what can happen if you start at ground zero Soren? Articulate and concise objective criticism.

Now can you, beginning at ground zero, concede that Gandalf has a very good point when he says the arguments against Islam are generally hysterical and based on lies and half truths?

I mean, you should have done it already but Gandalf is clearly the 'bigger man'.

I await your reply to Gandalf. Let's see if you can meet him half way.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #498 - May 5^th, 2015 at 11:53pm FV ck orf.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #499 - May 6^th, 2015 at 10:13am Noice. "I reject" is not a reasoned criticism. You (Muslims) need reason your way to your rejections and convince other Muslims that you are right and they are wrong. Where are the Muslim organisations that mount, presumably rational and objective criticisms of Islam?
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Reply #500 - May 6^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia -

I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices

Koran

I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran

Mohammed

I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad

jihad

I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence

segregation and subjugation of women

I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam

doctrines on apostasy

I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment

doctrines on dhimmis

I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state

superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine

Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism... That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren. Roll Eyes

I don't see any objective, reasoned criticism.

It's all 'I don't like it".

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Reply #501 - May 6^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia -

I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices

Koran

I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran

Mohammed

I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad

jihad

I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence

segregation and subjugation of women

I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam

doctrines on apostasy

I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment

doctrines on dhimmis

I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state

superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine

Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism... That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren. Roll Eyes

I don't see any objective, reasoned criticism.

It's all 'I don't like it".

Moving the goalposts again, Soren?

Are you really this careless with your language when dealing with patients? How many have they had to fish out of the harbour after listening to your diagnosis or treatment? Grin

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Reply #502 - May 6^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some

examples of 'objective' criticism

that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

The goalpost are unmoved.

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.

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Reply #503 - May 6^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some

examples of 'objective' criticism

that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

The goalpost are unmoved.

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.

So, you agree that your comments are not objective Soren? How unsurprising! Grin

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Reply #504 - May 6^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.

What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.

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Reply #505 - May 6^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

No. I was accused of not being objective by Gandy, Mutha, Brain etc when I criticise Islam and was laffed at when I cited an article saying that Islam can be completely rejected for good, rational reasons.

You lot reflexively label any and all criticism of Islam as 'Islamophobic' but then say that objective and reasonable criticism of Islam is possible and you are also on the side of reason.
SO I am asking you for examples of rational and objective, non-Islamophobic ways of being critical of Islam.
I am also saying that, just as it was not enough for Pauline Hanson to say 'I don't like it' it's not enough for Gandy to say what he doesn't like.

I am asking for examples which you guys accept as both rational, objective and non-Islamophobic criticisms of Islam.

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Reply #506 - May 6^th, 2015 at 3:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.

What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.

Give us a few examples, then.

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Reply #507 - May 6^th, 2015 at 6:58pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Soren wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.

Can you give some

examples of 'objective' criticism

that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

The goalpost are unmoved.

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.

No no, old boy, it's all about wat you like or dislike, remember?

Well, dislike.

There are Muslim schools and sects devoted to the take G has articulated. There are also brutal, cruel and stupid schools of Muslim dogma, most of them funded by Saudi oil money. Your age-old rebuttal that Muslims like G are responsible for their correction is akin to saying that Lutherans like yourself are responsible for Vatican-funded regimes in Central America. It's a stock old oy response. You've been using it for years.

Wake us all up when you come up with something new. Your posts are as predictable as Mormor's cuckoo clock.

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Reply #508 - May 6^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.

What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.

Give us a few examples, then.

The record appears to be stuck.

Mind you, the Pauline Hanson quote is gold.

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