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Reply #585 - May 10^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.

Why did this take so long?

And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?

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Reply #586 - May 10^th, 2015 at 8:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.

Now now, G, the old boy's just having a giggle. Sometimes a question is just a question, remember - prticularly when you're trying to evade and cover up your own porkies.

But I remember one of your own criticisms: the good old Muslim child marriage epidemic. After we read the fine print, it turned out the epidemic was "defacto" marriages in predominantly Aboriginal areas. The Muslim child marriage epidemic comprised of one actual Muslim child marriage.

You posted the article in good faith, but it turned out to be a porkie all along. This didn't stop posters like Sprint, FD and Y jumping to its defence and pulling all sorts of contortions. The old boy had a good time too, but even he laid low with that howler.

Another case of intelligence and integrity, I'm afraid.

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Reply #587 - May 11^th, 2015 at 12:52am

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

What's the question mutha?

The questions we have been asking you for days.

Oh please say you'll answer them. I'm so hoping you do.

Scroll back, there's a good Scando.

What about the questions I had asked you before?
I asked you a question first. Answeri and I will answer your questions.
How about that?

Your questions were put simply to avoid answering mine.

You haven't answered our questions yet.

And they were not put to avoid answering yours at all. Where do you come up with this stuff?

They were genuine questions i would like to see answers to.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #588 - May 11^th, 2015 at 11:37am Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 8:26pm: Why did this take so long? Because you kept attacking?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #589 - May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.
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Reply #590 - May 11^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.

No, Soren, attacking! You know, when you lose your cool and resort to personal insults? You know, where you attack Muslims and Islam for no reason other than to satisfy your atavistic desire to insult people? Or do those happen when your meds have run out? Or you're on the Grog? Shocked

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96221 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #591 - May 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm: Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer. Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap. Except your good self, no?
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Reply #592 - May 11^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.

Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

We wouldn't want to see him doing that, now would we? Grin

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Reply #593 - May 11^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

|dev|null wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.

No, Soren, attacking! You know, when you lose your cool and resort to personal insults? You know, where you attack Muslims and Islam for no reason other than

to satisfy your atavistic desire to insult people

? Or do those happen when your meds have run out? Or you're on the Grog? Shocked

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Reply #594 - May 11^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.

Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?

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Reply #595 - May 11^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.

Why did this take so long?

And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?

'ello??!!!

And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42183	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #596 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:34pm: And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam? How is Islam reformable? Why not ask Muslims, Soren? When you post your questions over at Islamic Village? I'd like to see the reaction...
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Reply #597 - May 12^th, 2015 at 12:56am

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.

Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?

Sometimes a question is just a question, SE.

Cunning, no?

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Reply #598 - May 12^th, 2015 at 1:00am

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?

Why not ask Muslims, Soren?

Oh, he is. He’ll continue asking questions to evade the very question put to himself.

Shurely shome mishtake, no?

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Reply #599 - May 12^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.

Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?

This?

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