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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #690 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:48pm Good show, dear boy. Shifty, arse-covering, mendacious, spineless, bedwetting and indignantly offended all in one post. This must be at least five pages of evasion now - a record? Shurely shome mishtake.
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Reply #691 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:54pm

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?

2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?

3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?

4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No. There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No. This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it. It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam. There is no shifting that.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #692 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:01pm Sometimes an answer is just an answer.
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Reply #693 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:02pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489

That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.

I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath.

Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).

Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.

The questions are copy and pasted for you a page baack Soren. I even highlighted them.

But you know that, don't you?

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Reply #694 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?

2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?

3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?

4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No. There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No. This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it. It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam. There is no shifting that.

Oh. My. God.

Actually answered.

Answered like an absolute fool, but answered nonetheless. I'm astonished.

Well Soren, if they are your honest answers, there is no hope for you. You are a hopeless Islamophobe who is utterly beyond reason,

I suspected as much ... but i had to be sure,

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35494 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #695 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:06pm Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:01pm: Sometimes an answer is just an answer. Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.
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Reply #696 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:16pm

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489

That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.

I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath.

Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).

Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.

The questions are copy and pasted for you a page baack Soren. I even highlighted them.

But you know that, don't you?

I answered your highlighted questions half an hour before this post of yours, ya thick old hen. What's wrong with you (other than being a militant thicko?)

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Reply #697 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:19pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489

That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.

I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath.

Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).

Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.

The questions are copy and pasted for you a page baack Soren. I even highlighted them.

But you know that, don't you?

I answered your highlighted questions half an hour before this post of yours, ya think old hen. What's wrong with you (other than being a militant thicko?)

The first few pages of the thread weren't showing up, you miserable old Scando. Couldn't see it. Didn't show up until i posted and clicked the page over.

I've responded to you now. You were found to be wanting.

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Reply #698 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?

2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?

3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?

4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No. There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No. This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it. It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam. There is no shifting that.

Oh. My. God.

Actually answered.

Answered like an absolute fool, but answered nonetheless. I'm astonished.

Well Soren, if they are your honest answers, there is no hope for you. You are a hopeless Islamophobe who is utterly beyond reason,

I suspected as much ... but i had to be sure,

I bet anything that neither you (especially not you) nor any of the other 'Islamophobia-mongers can explain how these answers are 'Islamophobic.

You and your merry band are just too stupid to offer any actual reasoning. Your wits run only as far as "Oh. My. God."

You are that thick.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #699 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:22pm mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:06pm: Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:01pm: Sometimes an answer is just an answer. Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all. Well, you'll just have to frig yourself to sleep, won't you. Like every other night.
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Reply #700 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:34pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?

2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?

3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?

4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No. There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No. This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it. It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam. There is no shifting that.

Oh. My. God.

Actually answered.

Answered like an absolute fool, but answered nonetheless. I'm astonished.

Well Soren, if they are your honest answers, there is no hope for you. You are a hopeless Islamophobe who is utterly beyond reason,

I suspected as much ... but i had to be sure,

I bet anything that neither you (especially not you) nor any of the other 'Islamophobia-mongers can explain how these answers are 'Islamophobic.

You and your merry band are just too stupid to offer any actual reasoning. Your wits run only as far as "Oh. My. God."

You are that thick.

It's really very easy, oh hostile one. Rather unfortunate you aare too dim to see how it follows yourself but i'll help. You have been so brave and stuff.

If you don't accept that the vast majority of material that pops up on this forum regarding Islam is sensationalised and written from a point of existing prejudice, if not outright lies,then you must, logically, agree with said sentiments.

These sentiments are by their very nature Islamophobic. The quality of debate is poor, ill-educated and reactionary. Unsophisticated and poorly considered examples are presented to prove agendas, not open, constructive, objective dialogue about Islam as a complete topic..

You and your cerebrally challenged lot trot out worst case scenario after worst case scenario, a goodly number of them utterly untrue, and pass them off as common place. It's not very clever and it's not at all constructive. It serves no purpose than to fuel your already rampant bigotry. The fact that you try to pass it off as debate is pitiful.

Like other cerebrally challenged bigots, you resort to insult and abuse when cornered ... or even disagreed with. Because you have nothing other than your prejudice and your vitriol to support you. You are without foundation because your foundation is built almost exclusively on bigotted lies.

You're an idiot Soren. It's actually pretty funny that you should question anybody else's intelligence when you are so evidently wanting in the department. Still, s'nice isn't it? That somone as objectionable as you can bring some mirth to others.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #701 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:55pm He aims to please, Mother.The old boy brings much joy to many. As do you. Your last post is piercingly insightful.
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Reply #702 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:59pm

I can't be the only one who notices that all you have is emotional incontinence and its attendant loaded words - but no actual argument.

Islamism IS a prtoblem around the world and it is not because of my view of Islam.

It is the other way around - my view of Islam is based on the evident problem that is Islam in the world today.

You will notice - even if only because I rub your nose in it - that neither I nor the other 'Islamophobes' have nearly as much to say about nazis, commies, KKK an all the rest as we do about Islamists.

The reason is that the nazis, commies, KKK have been dispatched and it is now Islam that is taking their lace as the resident menace to freedom and peace - see Pakiland, Afghanistan, Labia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, ISIS sympathisers in Sydney, Ottawa, NYC, London, Paris and on and on.

Tell us this - is there no problem with Islam today?

A hint - the CIA, ASIS, MI6 are not looking for German speakers but Arabic speakers. Guess why?

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Reply #703 - May 18^th, 2015 at 10:26pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

I can't be the only one who notices that all you have is emotional incontinence and its attendant loaded words - but no actual argument.

Islamism IS a prtoblem around the world and it is not because of my view of Islam.

It is the other way around - my view of Islam is based on the evident problem that is Islam in the world today.

You will notice - even if only because I rub your nose in it - that neither I nor the other 'Islamophobes' have nearly as much to say about nazis, commies, KKK an all the rest as we do about Islamists.

The reason is that the nazis, commies, KKK have been dispatched and it is now Islam that is taking their lace as the resident menace to freedom and peace - see Pakiland, Afghanistan, Labia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, ISIS sympathisers in Sydney, Ottawa, NYC, London, Paris and on and on.

Tell us this - is there no problem with Islam today?

A hint - the CIA, ASIS, MI6 are not looking for German speakers but Arabic speakers. Guess why?

It doesn't matter how many times it's explained to you Soren ... and it has been explained by more than a couple of us over the last 10 pages or so, repeatedly, and i just explained it again ... you seem utterly incapable of grasping the very simple concept that constructive debate about whatever problems are or are not inherent, associated or secondary to Islam cannot be addressed intelligently if the basis of discussion is lies.

Or sensationalism.

Or pushing an already existent agenda.

Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? It's not at all difficult.

I do not happen to agree with you that the next scourge of humanity is Islam. I happen to think that Islam is just another religion, with all of the associated good things and bad things about an organised religion. I think it has it's flaws and i think that too many people are using a very old book to justify bad behaviour. As is the case with others who have very old books they care too much about.

I think the scourge of humanity is extremism. US extremism; North Korean extremism; Muslim extremism; Christian extremism; Jewish extremism; and all of the other extremisms out there causing people to behave very badly indeed.

You are useless at discussing such matters with. You only have one opinion and it's shortsighted and very, very boring. To engage you in discussion, one already needs to talk you down from the edge. It's not reasoned. It's not rational. It's not constructive.

Do you understand now?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #704 - May 18^th, 2015 at 11:27pm Now now, Mother, do try not to offend the old boy so. He does have rights, you know.
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