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Reply #75 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 2:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Vandals attack Sikh temple by spraying anti-Islamic slurs on walls

Seems the Islamophobes aren't too worried about who they hurt as collateral damage in their offensive against Islam. Idiots! Roll Eyes

Sprint wants to ban them too, along with any Christian with an Arab name. In fact, let’s just clear this up and ban anyone who’s tinted.

Better to be safe than sorry, eh?

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Reply #76 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people. Roll Eyes

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good. She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.

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Reply #77 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:51pm

Soren wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people. Roll Eyes

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good. She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.

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Same thing as if I were ever in saudi walking around with a BIG cross on and wearing speedos.

course, all the islamic sympathisers would say "oh, you should not do that ............"

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Reply #78 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

It's really funny that you have started a thread dedicated to a non-existent concept....

"Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of "Islamophobia" has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism.

The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations."

Since 'radical Islam' IS in fact attacking and trying to destroy Western society...it's not actually a 'prejudice' (Prejudice is prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case), because being worried about 'radicalised Islam' IS a case of being aware of the facts.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #79 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

Soren wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people. Roll Eyes

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good. She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.

Talk about blaming the victim. Why am I not surprised by such a comment from person like yourself who is on record for both his islamophobia and his sexist views, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #80 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

It's really funny that you have started a thread dedicated to a non-existent concept....

"Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of "Islamophobia" has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism.

The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations."

Since 'radical Islam' IS in fact attacking and trying to destroy Western society...it's not actually a 'prejudice' (Prejudice is prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case), because being worried about 'radicalised Islam' IS a case of being aware of the facts.

It is a prejudice if it is aimed at people innocent of any connection with IS or any other extremist group, Gizmo.

Tell me, how do you feel about anti-Semitism? You think it's justified by the stupid policies of the Israeli government? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #81 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

It's really funny that you have started a thread dedicated to a non-existent concept....

"Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of "Islamophobia" has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism.

The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations."

Since 'radical Islam' IS in fact attacking and trying to destroy Western society...it's not actually a 'prejudice' (Prejudice is prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case), because being worried about 'radicalised Islam' IS a case of being aware of the facts.

It is a prejudice if it is aimed at people innocent of any connection with IS or any other extremist group, Gizmo.

Tell me, how do you feel about anti-Semitism? You think it's justified by the stupid policies of the Israeli government? Roll Eyes

However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other 'Sharia' state do) on Islam..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #82 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:42pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other 'Sharia' state do) on Islam..

Haven't you just contradicted yourself? I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment. It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims. If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #83 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other 'Sharia' state do) on Islam..

Haven't you just contradicted yourself? I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment. It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims. If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups. Roll Eyes

NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #84 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other 'Sharia' state do) on Islam..

Haven't you just contradicted yourself? I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment. It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims. If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups. Roll Eyes

NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #85 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:34pm

I am surprised that the words Islamophobe or Islamaphobic are even used today. Along with Bigot and Racist they are so obviously terms that are old hat and used in the days when the lefties/greenies/muslims lacked any defensive argument. The days when they were first introduced was when society was able to reason and deliberate fairly and everything in our western day to day life was rosie. It has long been proved that having an "Irrational" fear of Islam is actually rational.Indeed you would have to suspect that they were merely used to provide an escape route for the once rational minded person even for just a few moments whilst they contemplated the reality that evil is just ..well..evil. It doesn't matter whether you are a leftie,a gay. a rightard, a bigot, a racist or even an Islamophobe...IT IS WHAT IT IS ..Unless we learn from History then it is destined to repeat itself...

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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #86 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:39pm In between calling people islamaphobes and bleating that it is only a tiny minority of beardy wierdies is a good way to put your head under the sand and ignore the issue of militant Islam, engage in denial and refuse debate.
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Reply #87 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

In between calling people islamaphobes and bleating that it is only a tiny minority of beardy wierdies is a good way to put your head under the sand and ignore the issue of militant Islam, engage in denial and refuse debate.

Precisely, I don't think anyone of us that are opposed to Islam or "Fear" Islam on here constantly use the word "Islamofascist" to describe our detractors?

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Bubba Zanetti Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 508 Gender:	Re: More Islamophobic attacks? Reply #88 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 8:32pm Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.
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Reply #89 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 9:07pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.

True, Bubby. I blame Islam.

Much easier. Stick to that and you can’t go wrong.

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