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Reply #90 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:28pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:07pm:
Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to  kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.


True, Bubby. I blame Islam.

Much easier. Stick to that and you can’t go wrong.



Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
. The crux to a good joke is not poo, it’s conflict. The essence of all drama is conflict.

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Reply #91 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:31pm
 
Good one, old boy. Ha ha ha.

I get it.
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Reply #92 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:39pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Good one, old boy. Ha ha ha.

I get it.

No you don't.

Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
I’ll reward a good critique.

Fire away.





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Reply #93 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:42pm
 
Oh, old boy, you’re killing me here!
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Reply #94 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:56pm
 
Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
]Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. [/highlight]The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to  kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.


Only on the surface...The 'Christian view' is not in fact the  actually reason for antisemitism.
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Reply #95 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:42am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    Roll Eyes


NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"


No, I disagree.  Islamophobia is at it's most basic an unreasoning fear of Muslims and Islam, Gizmo.  Anti-Semitism a its most basic is also based on an unreasoning fear of Jews and Judiasm.  Excuses are made by both groups to justify that unreasoning fear but deep down, it is simply fear of the "other".  If anti-Semitism is wrong, so is Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #96 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:45am
 
brumbie wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:34pm:
I am surprised that the words Islamophobe or Islamaphobic are even used today. Along with Bigot and Racist they are so obviously terms that are old hat and used in the days when the lefties/greenies/muslims lacked any defensive argument.  The days when they were first introduced was when society was able to reason and deliberate fairly and everything in our western day to day life was rosie. It has long been proved that having an "Irrational" fear of Islam is actually rational.Indeed you would have to suspect that they were merely used to provide an escape route for the once rational minded person even for just a few moments whilst they contemplated the reality that evil is just ..well..evil. It doesn't matter whether you are a leftie,a gay. a rightard, a bigot, a racist or even an Islamophobe...IT IS WHAT IT IS ..Unless we learn from History then it is destined to repeat itself...

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Your claim to rationality for your fear of Islam would be true if you only feared extremist Islam but as Islamophobia manifests itself as an irrational fear of all Islam and all Muslims and produces prejudice and bigotry towards them, it must be considered irrational.

All you're attempting to do is justify and excuse your irrational fear, Brumby.  Until you recognise you have a problem, you'll never cure it.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #97 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 7:44am
 
Man who threatened to burn hijab fined $500, runs from court with head covered


A MAGISTRATE has admonished a man who threatened to torch a Brisbane woman’s hijab with a lighter, labelling his behaviour “offensive” and “anti-social”.

Dominic James Proberts, 44 of Windsor, was fined $500 in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on Monday for assaulting a woman outside the Boundary Hotel at West End in September.

Magistrate John McGrath called the unprovoked attack intolerant and frightening.

“Your behaviour was so offensive and so anti-social that not only was it an attack on this particular complainant, but on all those who seek to follow the religion and dress in this way,” he said.

Proberts erratically sprinted from the court down Roma St after the hearing, with a jacket over his head.

Police prosecutor Sergeant Cheryl Sayer said two women left the Indonesian Islamic Society of Brisbane centre together wearing a hijab that covered their heads, neck and shoulders around 1.30pm on September 6.

he said the women walked along Boundary St at West End when they were accosted by Proberts outside the Boundary Hotel.

Sgt Sayer said Proberts leant forward to one of the woman and extended a cigarette lighter near to her face, saying “I want to burn your f###ing scarf”.

She said the women became frightened and looked to another man who was walking out of the hotel for help.

But Sgt Sayer said that man offered the women little comfort, instead walking past them and uttering the word: “Terrorist.”
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Reply #98 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 8:14am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:42am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    Roll Eyes


NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"


No, I disagree.  Islamophobia is at it's most basic an unreasoning fear of Muslims and Islam, Gizmo.  Anti-Semitism a its most basic is also based on an unreasoning fear of Jews and Judiasm.  Excuses are made by both groups to justify that unreasoning fear but deep down, it is simply fear of the "other".  If anti-Semitism is wrong, so is Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes

What phobophobic rot.

If 'islamophobia' was a you say a fear of the 'other' then all sorts of 'others' would be feared, not just Islamic ones. Anyway, criticising and disliking something is not a phobia, Brain. Phobias are about something natural, ordinary - not about ideas or ideologies. It is perfectly OK to have a well-founded, well-argued, rational opposition to a set of ideas or an ideology, a religion. Nothing 'phobic' about it. You choose to follow or oppose an ideology. It is not a natural state, beyond your control, whether you are a follower of Mohammed or not. Opposing it doesn't make you phobic. You are just against it.





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Reply #99 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 9:32am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   Roll Eyes

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.


Talk about blaming the victim.  Why am I not surprised by such a comment from person like yourself who is on record for both his islamophobia and his sexist views, Soren?    Roll Eyes

Blaming? I am praising her.


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Reply #100 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 10:34am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 9:32am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   Roll Eyes

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.


Talk about blaming the victim.  Why am I not surprised by such a comment from person like yourself who is on record for both his islamophobia and his sexist views, Soren?    Roll Eyes

Blaming? I am praising her.


yes, it sounded like genuine praise to me.

She showed a modicum of common sense.
If she thinks much more she may even drop the cult she is in.
Then I would congratulate her on her new freedom.
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Reply #101 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 10:46am
 
Elsewhere in the news:


One in four Australians holds a negative attitude towards Muslims, a national survey has found.

The social cohesion report, published by Monash University and the Scanlon Foundation, measured public attitudes on issues like immigration and multiculturalism.

It found people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.

Report author Professor Andrew Markus said the results were troubling.  "What we're finding is negativity towards Muslims is five times higher than towards Christians and Buddhists, so there's quite a significant issue there," said Professor Markus.

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According to Professor Markus, Australians had one of the most positive attitudes towards immigration in the western world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-29/one-in-four-australians-had-a-negative-att...
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Reply #102 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:00am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 10:46am:
Elsewhere in the news:


One in four Australians holds a negative attitude towards Muslims, a national survey has found.

The social cohesion report, published by Monash University and the Scanlon Foundation, measured public attitudes on issues like immigration and multiculturalism.

It found people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.




No surprises there.

With the amount of fear-mongering done by you Islamophobes, I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
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Reply #103 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:17am
 
Or to put it another way, a vast majority of Australians don't hold negative views towards muslims.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #104 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:21am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:17am:
Or to put it another way, a vast majority of Australians don't hold negative views towards muslims.

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