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St George of the Garden

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The aging of our scientists is a real problem
Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-cre...

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem Reply #1 - Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:24pm The GP co-payment will fund them but the tyrants in the unrepresentative house are blocking it.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem Reply #2 - Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:32pm No, those payments—which don’t fund Medicare—will go to Big Pharma not the universities. Try reading the link next time.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem Reply #3 - Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:35pm Well there you go Georgie. The pimply scientists can get jobs with big pharmas. What's the problem? You've debunked your own OP
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem Reply #4 - Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:43pm Oh dear. There is pure science (Unies) and applied science—industry. Better do some reading Swaggie. Life is more than just slogans.
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Reply #5 - Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-cre...

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience. how evil!

and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem Reply #6 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:47am Another personal insult by Longy.
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Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem
Reply #7 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:37am

Just make a proviso that an experienced scientist must use a % of the grant to hire an inexperienced scientist to have a roll.

That way the inexperienced get some money and most of all, experience. Then they will be experienced scientists who get grants.

Pretty sure we would have to put a little extra in the grant, but it would be money well spent, but im not talking a whole lot more.

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Reply #8 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-cre...

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience. how evil!

and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The aging of our scientists is a real problem Reply #9 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:48am Sounds like a plan, plus make more money available and ditch Payne’s stupid idea re Uni prices.
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Reply #10 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:34am

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science.

Doubt it. People who are likely to study STEM fields will still study them, it's the slackers studying useless fields to avoid getting a job who will opt out.

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Reply #11 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:51am

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-cre...

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience. how evil!

and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

Successful = experienced.

the aging of our scientist population is a real problem, especially with this anti–science govt we have.

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Reply #12 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 12:25pm

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-cre...

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience. how evil!

and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

I work sometimes with researchers. they best person gets the money. seems the reasonable way to get the best outcomes.

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Reply #13 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:01pm

I really wish Perceptions Now would stop willy nilly moving of posts all the time! At least give notice or ask!

Who wants to deregulate Uni fees? Christopher bloody Pyne so this thread was fine in PolSuck.

When course fees go way up with deregulation daddy’s little boy will study law or business, they don’t tend to study science (maybe medicine but not pure science.) Those on lower incomes who would have done science will be frozen out of Uni due to the deregulation of fees and the higher HECS interest rate. Far fewer females will study too.

With the aging of our scientific population this is going to be a real problem and soon.

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Reply #14 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-cre...

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience. how evil!

and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

and imagine being the first party not to have a science minister since 1931. That's even more evil !!

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