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Violence & harrassment of muslims
Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:59am

I don't condone any of that. It's not right, except of course where the apprehension of terrorists is involved.
But the various anti-muslim incidents that have been reported are not only un-Australian but counter-productive.

I do not however resile from my view that their should be a curtailment of immigration from predominantly muslim sources such as the middle east and north Africa. Why court more trouble.

I do also agree with the view that their should be a ban on the full burka, especially the hidden & veiled face aspects. It has worked in France. Whatever the women themselves may say, it is contrary to the liberation of women which has taken many generations to achieve in this society, to the extent it has been achieved. It is also a potential area of threat.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims Reply #1 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am muslims do not assimilate. muslims alienate themselves.
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Reply #2 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:30am

Good on you, Bogarde! Takes some courage to stand out from the crowd!

Re the burqa—for identification purposes, for security purposes—if you don’t remove the veil across the face you cannot get a drivers license, cannot enter a bank. Apart from that—who cares? The second generation are not going to put up with that shiite.

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Reply #3 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:32am

I cannot condone any of that either..it merely produces more of the same from the other side.
I ask only that we contain the population of muslims to a reasonable % as they are natural predators and will eventually attempt to overwhelm any multicultural society.
But it isn't as easy as to merely limit their intake as they are also experts at marrying only people from outside of the country and to thus bring in their families.You cannot stop them from doing this without enforcing a law on everybody that prevents you from marrying somebody from abroad.They are aware of all the rorts be it centerlink or marriages.

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Reply #4 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:46am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

muslims do not assimilate.

muslims alienate themselves.

They assimilate fine, i have quite a few muslim friends, if you made the effort you would know this, I would put money on it you're one of those people that has the double garage door with the house access and dreads going to the mailbox in case you make eye contact with one of your English speaking neighbour's. You sir, are an idiot that doesn't have clue what they're talking about.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims Reply #5 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:48am You know Sprint well, it seems
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Reply #6 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 12:04pm

Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

muslims do not assimilate.

muslims alienate themselves.

They assimilate fine, i have quite a few muslim friends, if you made the effort you would know this, I would put money on it you're one of those people that has the double garage door with the house access and dreads going to the mailbox in case you make eye contact with one of your English speaking neighbour's. You sir, are an idiot that doesn't have clue what they're talking about.

I have the phone #s of 3 of my neighbours and went to one last night.

I don't abuse you and ask you return the favour.

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Perses Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 239 Gender:	Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims Reply #7 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:19pm Islam Is a death cult stop it now.
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Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims
Reply #8 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 5:46pm

Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

muslims do not assimilate.

muslims alienate themselves.

They assimilate fine, i have quite a few muslim friends, if you made the effort you would know this, I would put money on it you're one of those people that has the double garage door with the house access and dreads going to the mailbox in case you make eye contact with one of your English speaking neighbour's. You sir, are an idiot that doesn't have clue what they're talking about.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims Reply #9 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 5:50pm Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:46am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am: muslims do not assimilate. muslims alienate themselves. They assimilate fine, yes, they cunningly do this by completly isolating themselves from mainstream australia.
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Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims
Reply #10 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:04pm

ian wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 5:50pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

muslims do not assimilate.

muslims alienate themselves.

They assimilate fine,

yes, they cunningly do this by completly isolating themselves from mainstream australia.

How do they do that?

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Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims
Reply #11 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:18pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:37pm:

for the unfamiliar

Kristallnacht

English: "Crystal Night"

... referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary forces and non-Jewish civilians.

German authorities looked on without intervening.
The name

Kristallnacht

comes from the shards of broken glass that littered the streets after Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues had their windows smashed.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and 30,000 were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps.

Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers.

Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone) and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.
Martin Gilbert writes that no event in the history of German Jews between 1933 and 1945 was so widely reported as it was happening, and the accounts from the foreign journalists working in Germany sent shock waves around the world.
The Times wrote at the time: "No foreign propagandist bent upon blackening Germany before the world could outdo the tale of burnings and beatings, of blackguardly assaults on defenceless and innocent people, which disgraced that country yesterday."

... and this is the great vision for AUSTRALIA, desired by many ?

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Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims
Reply #12 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:24pm

Who are the ones being terrorised ?

September 19, 2014

A car has been damaged and daubed with offensive comments, threatening letters have been sent and women have been abused in the street.

A backlash of hate crimes against the Muslim community after the police raids last week has also sparked a rash of social media comments such as ...

"this is how they should deal with them",

"behead them all",

"give them a taste of their own medicine for a change"

and "we just need to blow up parramatta n bankstown".

One of the founders of the Australian Arabic Council and human rights activist Joseph Wakim said
"everyone should remember that no faith tells you to harm innocent people".

"It is not open season on Muslims,"
Mr Wakim said. "It is not OK to go Muslim-bashing"

"The raids were about stopping people feared to be terrorists, yet it is the Muslim people who are being terrorised."

Mr Wakim, a former Victorian multicultural affairs commissioner, has reminded Australians to learn from history and not to make the same mistakes, in particular by treating one group as "collectively guilty".

Anti-Muslim sentiment has been felt around the country and people are reporting graffiti on mosques and attacks on homes. Threatening letters have been sent to businesses, bookshops and religious leaders with handwritten messages such as ...

"we will fight you ... terror for terror ... blood for blood and ... bomb for bomb"

NSW Police Superintendent Mark Walton said officers would not "stand guard" outside mosques that received bomb threats
, purportedly from the Australian Defence League.

He said that, other than the letter from the league, there were no credible threats to security being investigated during Operation Hammerhead, a NSW operation to increase police visibility that was launched after terrorism raids on Thursday.

The Australian National Imams Council expressed anger that one of its most senior members, an assistant to the Grand Mufti of Australia

Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, was pulled up at Sydney airport on Thursday on the way to the Haj, a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

The Imam, who met Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Attorney-General George Brandis recently, was stopped at the boarding gate, stripped of his mobile phone and iPad and kept in a room for two hours without explanation

, the general manager of ANIC Samir Bennegadi said.

Mr Bennegadi said the Imam was treated in an unprofessional manner and he wondered, if this could happen to one of the most senior Imams in Australia, what could happen to the rest of the Muslim population when, "especially during this time, the Haj, we have hundreds of people leaving Australia every day".

Rebecca Kay, the secretary of Salam Care, a community services group, said it also feared being the targets of a raid.

"I know some women who have slept in their headscarves just in case," she said.

Ms Kay was collating reports of hate crimes, including harassment, abuse or being targeted, to present to the Human Rights Commission.

"We had some Aussie ladies standing making gun movements with their fingers towards some Muslim ladies,"
she said. "It is trivial, but it does affect people."

Ms Kay said the complaints were coming from across the western suburbs. "They seem to be more upset at first rather than scared," Ms Kay said.

"But then they do get scared that it might happen again, and they start worrying about whether they need to protect their children."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-are-the-ones-being-terrorised-muslims-say-20140920-...

So just REMEMBER ...

Christians, Jews, and Muslims, alike - ALL worship the one God

... and ALL mothers love their children

Even those with wrongfully arrested fathers

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42308	Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims Reply #13 - Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:28pm Seems the fear level is rising...
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Re: Violence & harrassment of muslims
Reply #14 - Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:19am

ian wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 5:50pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:46am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

muslims do not assimilate.

muslims alienate themselves.

They assimilate fine,

yes, they cunningly do this by completly isolating themselves from mainstream australia.

Like FIFO workers?

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