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Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:25am

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25083507/tasers-regularly-used-during-act-arrests-in...

"Tasers are regularly used during arrests in the ACT which involve people with mental health issues, according to documents obtained by the ABC.

Last week police Tasered a man allegedly attacking them with fire bombs near Canberra Airport.

A series of documents obtained by the ABC under Freedom of Information show police have been drawing, aiming and sometimes firing Tasers more often in cases involving people with mental health issues.

There were 11 Taser incidents between January and May 7 this year and at least eight involved a person with a confirmed or suspected mental illness.

In February a police officer Tasered a man with an apparent mental health disorder during an arrest.

In his report on the incident the officer called for Tasers to be issued beyond frontline sergeants.

He argued arming senior constables and acting sergeants would reduce the likelihood of using lethal force during arrests.

"The Taser CEW was an effective tool in the resolution of this incident. However, at this time, they are restricted to substantive sergeants only."

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #1 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:38am You would prefer Rule 303?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #2 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.
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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #3 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 11:00am Excuse me, before i taser your arse, i need to ask some questions - no don't shoot yet these questions are important... "Do you have a mental illness?"
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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #4 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 11:02am Bit o' shock treatment's good for 'em...
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jockohomo3d Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 187 Gender:	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #5 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 2:36pm Don't get me wrong, I love a crim getting volts. At the same time, what happened to the night stick?
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Reply #6 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:12pm

ian wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am:

tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.

Tasers should require the same standards as firearms. That is what the manufacturer recommends, they are not designed to be a compliance tool.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21688 ACT Gender:	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #7 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:16pm Seriously this is probably the best weapon for the coppers to use when dealing with aggressive people with mental problems. The aim I think is to subdue them without serious injury! Well done coppers!
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Reply #8 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:25pm

Kytro wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:12pm:

ian wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am:

tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.

Tasers should require the same standards as firearms. That is what the manufacturer recommends, they are not designed to be a compliance tool.

I agree. Tasers are firearms, and should be treated as such. Firearms are defined as:
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Firearms Act 1978, s4:

firearm includes any lethal firearm and any other weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged or propelled or which, by any alteration in the construction or fabric thereof, can be made capable of discharging or propelling any shot, bullet or other missile, ... (blah blah)

Having said that though, police are shot with said tasers in training so they do know that it is unimaginably painful to get tagged with one. Also, given the choice, would you rather be snuffed or zapped? Tasers are certainly a boon for modern policing, but should only be allowed when lethal force would otherwise be allowed - in life-threatening situations. Certainly never as compliance tools.

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Reply #9 - Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:32pm

ian wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am:

tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.

I think you'll find that OC Spray (Pepper Spray) or CS Spray is used as a defensive weapon much more than a Taser. As for a defensive weapon used instead of a firearm, making for lazy policing you're talking shite. Pepper Spray and Tasers are only used in situations where the offender needs to be controlled when the risk to the officer/s and the public is considerable.

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Reply #10 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:28am

George - you are stuck in theory. I have posted the specific rules for the use of tasers.. these are not the general rule on the ground for their use. Same with sprays - what was intended to be and is shown in training as a weapon of last defence becomes the weapon of first resort.

As a security guy in many situations (and you may be surprised at my military and other affiliations) I pursue the policy of non-confrontation and of minimum force. Unless a person is a clear and present danger, there is no need to use any of these weapons. Those I work with to this day are aware of that.... I follow a genuine hearts and minds campaign.... and it has been very successful.

MOST police are far too ready to use violence and rely on the protection of the 'law' in doing so.

That said - I have myself given support to police in several situations........ including real and present danger and protection/support of injured officers....

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Reply #11 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:55am

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:32pm:

ian wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am:

tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.

I think you'll find that OC Spray (Pepper Spray) or CS Spray is used as a defensive weapon much more than a Taser.

no. its not

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As for a defensive weapon used instead of a firearm, making for lazy policing you're talking shite. Pepper Spray and Tasers are only used in situations where the offender needs to be controlled when the risk to the officer/s and the public is considerable.

rubbish

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Reply #12 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 7:40am

Kytro wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:12pm:

ian wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am:

tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.

Tasers should require the same standards as firearms. That is what the manufacturer recommends, they are not designed to be a compliance tool.

That being not showing unless using!

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Reply #13 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:25am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 7:40am:

Kytro wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 7:12pm:

ian wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 10:56am:

tasers make for lazy policing. They should be withdrawn completly. As far as a taser being used against a person attacking police with fire bombs, Im calling BS on that one. The taser is now most commonly used as a weapon to enforce compliance.

Tasers should require the same standards as firearms. That is what the manufacturer recommends, they are not designed to be a compliance tool.

That being not showing unless using!

And only using when absolutely necessary.

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George_Orhell Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 445	Re: Taser 'em, boys! Reply #14 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:37am So dipsticks, was the two officers who were stabbed yesterday lazy? They used force to defend themselves from an unprovoked attack. And Pissant, you would be surprised at the experience I have in that area, and I don't mean a wannabe, e.g. a security guard etc.
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