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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else Reply #15 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 2:06pm freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 1:46pm: It struck me as odd that they would come right out and describe those Islamophobes as brianless, but put on kid gloves for the terrorists. Aren't they worried about alienating the Islamophobes and driving them towards extremism?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41938	Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else Reply #16 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:45pm Oh, dear, FD appears to have set a precedent. HB, if it's bad for FD to liken his opponents to Cockroaches, why is it OK for you to do so? Isn't that hypocritical?
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Reply #17 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:10pm

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

It struck me as odd that they would come right out and describe those Islamophobes as brianless, but put on kid gloves for the terrorists.

Aren't they worried about alienating the Islamophobes and driving them towards extremism?

LOL

Its true though.

We, Australians [our pollies, at least] are tip-toeing on eggshells, around the moslem community.

Just on TV news tonight, Australian defence force personnel are being warned to be careful where they go, in public, WHILE THEY ARE IN UNIFORM, for fear from attacks by MOSLEMS, in Australia.

If i was in charge of Australia - dictator Yadda! - every moslem, who self declares as a moslem, would be interned, or expelled from Australia.

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ISLAM, in all of its 'glory'.

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

ISLAM - IS A CULTURE CONTAINING A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

ISLAM - IS A CULTURE CONTAINING A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY

Watch the sentiments,

coming out of the lips of a UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Reply #18 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 9:37am

Some clarification:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/09/25/04/10/terror-suspect-numan-haider-home-searched-before-shooting

Police visited the 18-year-old terror suspect's Endeavour Hills home on Tuesday night hoping to speak with Haider, but he was hanging out at a Hungry Jack's restaurant with friends at the time, according to an account posted on Facebook by radical Muslim preacher Ustadh Mohammed Junaid Thorne.

Haider's parents called their son to tell him about the police search and this news reportedly enraged the Afghani teen, prompting him to call the local police station to rail against the "invasion of his privacy," News Corp reports.

Thorne said police responded by asking Haider to come in for a meeting.

According to Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay, two counter-terrorism officers discussed options with Haider about a meeting place before deciding to meet outside the Endeavour Hills police station.

Haider's friends allegedly urged him not to go and even his parents tried to stop their son over concerns for his safety, ABC News reports, but he apparently ignored their pleas and showed up armed with two knives and carrying an Islamic flag.

Haider was shot dead after stabbing a 43-year-old Australian Federal Police officer and a 38-year-old member of Victoria Police.

Haider's family would not comment about the incident yesterday.

His parents reportedly had wanted their son to see a counsellor over his increasingly radicalised behaviour and had been looking into an arranged marriage as a way of getting him to settle down, the ABC reports.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else Reply #19 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 11:14am Moderate Islam with Isil flag.
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jockohomo3d Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 187 Gender:	Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else Reply #20 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 11:49am It's a double win with the death of Hader. Firstly he's dead and secondly we don't get an imported incubator from Afghanistan to marry his weedy ass.
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Reply #21 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

not jumping to conclusions 2 hours after the incident and before the facts of the case are known?

Simply outrageous.

Not protesting against what Radical Islam is doing to the Muslim Religion... Now that is outrageous.

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

Otherwise, the cctv footage was there from the moment it happened in the police station. That Radical Islamist stabbed one man once and another man multiple times causing serious injury requiring hospitalization and surgery. That was an act of disrespect against Australian Law and Law Enforcers.

But you don't care do you... Oh no! Much better to play the victim than stand against Radical Islam.

Are you a part and parcel of Radical Islam too? Angry

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else Reply #22 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:29pm Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm: It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? They are. You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.
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Reply #23 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:35pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

They are. You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.

Oh Look everyone... An abusive insulting forumite. Why are you being abusive and insulting towards me? What have I done to deserve this? Why did you ignore my comments? Why did you not provide at least 5 mainstream links as evidence of the claim you make that Muslims are decrying the abuses of Radical Islam?

Please don't insult or abuse me again... you have no right or cause.

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Reply #24 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

They are. You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.

Yes, they wouldn’t cut your head off on camera. But none of them can demonstrate how the tuff guys are misunderstanding the koranic verses they are quoting. None.
They speak out in disgust about the violence and arse-covering about the islamic theology that is applied by IS.

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Reply #25 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:41pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

not jumping to conclusions 2 hours after the incident and before the facts of the case are known?

Simply outrageous.

Not protesting against what Radical Islam is doing to the Muslim Religion... Now that is outrageous.

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

Otherwise, the cctv footage was there from the moment it happened in the police station. That Radical Islamist stabbed one man once and another man multiple times causing serious injury requiring hospitalization and surgery. That was an act of disrespect against Australian Law and Law Enforcers.

But you don't care do you... Oh no! Much better to play the victim than stand against Radical Islam.

Are you a part and parcel of Radical Islam too? Angry

Sappho!!!

I appreciate the sentiment that you have expressed in your post, BUT.

But, you are still 'working' under a misapprehension about ISLAM, imo.

Lies [about ISLAM] that have been spread, by moslems and ISLAM, have been uncritically accepted, by people like yourself.

You [and many others] still assume that ISLAM is a benign faith, and that some moslems are good people.

YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!

EVERY MOSLEM, is complicit, in the lie that moslems are propagating in the world, that 'ISLAM is peace!'

Sappho,

There are no moderate moslems, because there is no moderate ISLAM.

Sappho,

YOU NEED TO WAKE UP!

THE TRUTH IS;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

THE TRUTH IS THAT;

Every moslem expresses reverence for Mohammed - THE WARMONGER, the murderer, rapist, pirate.

Why is that ?

ISLAMIC law texts - pronouncing death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

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Sappho,

ISLAM and its doctrines are the product of the contents of ISLAM's foundation texts [Koran and Hadith].

If i am mistaken, please show where in ISLAM's foundation texts, they counsel peace, towards other human beings, who are not moslems.

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Reply #26 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:50pm

Yadda... I am without faith, so cannot speak to faith.

I can speak to violence done in the name of Radical Islam, Radical Christianity and Radicalism in general.

In matters of faith, I am deeply and apathetically atheist. And whilst I am known to play with the idea of faith and belief, I rarely if ever, make that a point of religious ridicule. That would be to play Hot Breaths game of insults and abuse... not my style.

But I do take on board your concerns and that your concerns are a threat to Christianity.

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Reply #27 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

Lies [about ISLAM] that have been spread, by moslems and ISLAM, have been uncritically accepted, by people like yourself.

You [and many others] still assume that ISLAM is a benign faith, and that some moslems are good people.

YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!

EVERY MOSLEM, is complicit, in the lie that moslems are propagating in the world, that 'ISLAM is peace!'

I can understand that it is too painful for many people to accept that they are being deceived by the 'nice' moslems they know.

To accept such a truth, we have to acknowledge that we [and our perception of our world] have been wrong.

That is painful, to many people.

BELOW - A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems].

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

[b]ISLAM IS NOT A BENIGN, AND PEACEFUL RELIGION!

MOSLEMS ARE - INTENTIONALLY - MISREPRESENTING ISLAM TO US [non-moslems].

ASK YOURSELF, WHY ARE MOSLEMS DOING THAT,

WHY ARE MOSLEMS DECEIVING US ?

WHY ARE MOSLEMS - INTENTIONALLY - MISREPRESENTING ISLAM TO US ?

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Reply #28 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:55pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Yadda... I am without faith, so cannot speak to faith.

I can speak to violence done in the name of Radical Islam, Radical Christianity and Radicalism in general.

In matters of faith, I am deeply and apathetically atheist. And whilst I am known to play with the idea of faith and belief, I rarely if ever, make that a point of religious ridicule. That would be to play Hot Breaths game of insults and abuse... not my style.

But I do take on board your concerns and that your concerns are a threat to Christianity.

Sappho,

Moslems and ISLAM, are a threat to all humanity, imo.

Respect for the truth [and for what is true], will 'turn the tide' against ISLAM.

Can we do that ?

I'm not confident in men.

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Reply #29 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

They are. You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.

Oh Look everyone... An abusive insulting forumite. Why are you being abusive and insulting towards me? What have I done to deserve this? Why did you ignore my comments? Why did you not provide at least 5 mainstream links as evidence of the claim you make that Muslims are decrying the abuses of Radical Islam?

Please don't insult or abuse me again... you have no right or cause.

Get stuffed. You're just another ignoramus who's too smacking lazy to do a simple Google search for yourself. You and others here keep claiming Muslims don't speak out against the radicals but it's obvious they smacking do. Why is Islam and Muslims always held to a higher standard than any other religion? Why are they always in the wrong, even when they do the right thing? Why are their protests against radicalism and Terrorism ignored by the likes of smacking you?

Sappho you're so smacking up yourself you can't see daylight. Grin

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