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I agree. Complete disrespect.

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Not churning out head hacking terrorists is hardly a higher standard.

HB isn't a radical. She just makes constant excuses for them.

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:


So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions?

The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim.  The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that no matter how often they speak out against radicalism, they have to speak out again and still be ignored at each new outrage.  And that is the real problem, you lot ignore what they say or declare it "taqiyya", and still demand they speak out!!!!!

Sappho isn't stupid.  Yet she obviously didn't even make an effort, she just declared that Muslims don't speak out, repeating the same tired old myth.  All she had to do was type "Muslims speak out against radicalism" into Google, exactly as you could if you wanted to Freediver and read the numerous links.  Your problem would be your closed mind.   

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The next time it becomes a global phenomenon based on Buddhist scriptures, I'll jump on the bandwagon.

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No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops.

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The problem is not that we ignore their pleas that Islam is peace. The problem is that Muslims ignore it and go on head hacking rampages.

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:


Ah, so its not principle you're worried about?  Typically shallow viewpoint there Freediver.

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Sprint.  Yadda.  Moses.  Soren.  All hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of all other Muslims.

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See what I mean?  You hold all Muslims responsible for what some Muslims do.   So, do you do the same with Aborigines?  When an Aborigine commits a crime do you use that against all other Aborigines?  You're a hypocrite of the lowest order Freediver.  You deserve that boot.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:


Moving the goal posts am I? I swear that is almost dishonest of you to say so.  This is a issue of the here and now and not the then and there... Australia's involvement with ISIS is the now and not two years ago. The stabbing by a radicalized muslim happened just the other day ago and not 12 months ago... It is dishonest to suggest that when I speak on an issue that is new to terrorism and want to know where the outcry from Muslims is, beyond victimhood, that because I critique your lack of currency in your link, that you therefore accuse me of changing my request... when it is you who is dishonest for your mock approach to my genuine queries

I notice too that I did comment on the British Women who speak out against ISIS that that that is a good thing.... yet you say nothing to add further to that discussion, rather, you seek yet another way of abusing and insulting me. Abuse and Insults are classic markers of Radicalism... did you know that?

And now you question my very right to speak on the topic of ISIS and the lack of Muslim condemnation because you have assumed that I know no Muslims and yet I have said many times on forum that as a public servant I know many public servants who also happen to be Muslim. I am on record at Debate and Relate pointing out that many of these people are better thought of as Muslim in name only... observing Ramadan for the benefit of their family only, but not in anyways a religious Muslim. They use the word Muslim as a cultural identifier in the same way that Christians do. One woman that I do have a regular smoke with is a fully fledged Muslim with her Islamic dress etc... and she and I speak very generally on matters of religion lest I cause her or she cause me, as an atheist, offense. She too is a perfectly decent human being and in no way radicalized. I haven't spoken to her since all this business with ISIS, but I suspect we never will.

It may also interest you to know that I am on a Muslim Forum called Muslim Villiage... and having just had a browse of that forum, I'm fairly satisfied that the reason why there is no general outrage emanating from the Muslim Community is dominantly because there is no general leadership to which Australian Muslims are connected.

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So, even Muslims are critical of Islamic Leaders for their lack of attention to their followers. As I said earlier, bad things happen when good people do nothing. But why am I wasting my time with a Radical like you... Normally I don't. And now I wont.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:



LOL, Google.  Maybe people expect to see, and it is in the interests of peace loving Muslims to be at least as energetic and reactive in disowning Islamic inspired atrocities as they do in protesting out in the streets, with placards, in numbers enough to attract the attentions of the evening news about cartoons or Korans being burnt.

If you have to google I suggest they need to do a lot more,a lot fringing more.  It's a wonder the leaders have not woken up to that simple fact, Muslim PR sucks, in between a response that needs to be googled and boycotting govt meetings they ain't doing themselves any favours and people justifiably will consider such muted protests to be limited and half hearted.