Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 24
th, 2014 at 12:18pm:
You are scraping the bottom of the barrel if you think Mehdi Hasan enhances the image of Islam.
What does Mehdi Hasan say about non muslims?
Its you who is scraping the bottom of the barrel if you think that has any relevance to this topic.
By the way what do atheists like Richard Dawkins and Hitchens himself say about muslims? Do they describe them as "mentally deficient" and all sorts of other similarly derogatory language?
Here's what Hitchens didn't quote from the same speech:
Quote:The Middle East, despite all its oil wealth…is an intellectually stagnant area of the world, where one in three Arabs, 65 million human beings, Muslims, are functionally illiterate, of which two thirds are women. 10 million children in the Middle East have never stepped foot inside a classroom, inside a school. That is the modern Muslim legacy. The Middle East…is now intellectually closed off to the outside world. … Closed off to the world – and let s not hear any of this nonsense about foreign literature, or foreign books, or foreign languages, being alien to Islam. It is the only way to learn, to open your minds to non-Muslims, to open your minds to other cultures, to learn foreign languages.
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It is no surprise then that when you look at the Muslim world you see that we 1.2 billion Muslims have just 10 Nobel prizes to our name….and our Jewish brethren who we spend so much time fighting and arguing with, 12 million Jews in the world, they have 150 Nobel prizes to their name….We are not under-armed, we are under-educated. We have lost our ability to think, to acquire knowledge, to advance intellectually, and then we wonder why our community is in such decay, why globally wherever you find Muslims we have such problems. It’s not a secret, it’s not a conspiracy, its clear to anyone who looks at the numbers.
Now Baron, you will be the first person cheering on this sort of sentiment: the muslim world at this point is "intellectually barren", closed minded, in decay - making it clear to anyone why there are such problems. Mehdi is blaming and criticising muslims themselves far more than non-muslims. So best be a bit careful about who you are going to smear.
The fact is, islam is stagnant and intellectually barren because of these ignorant cowboy jihadists - who tokenistically take a crash course in "islam for dummies" entirely as an afterthought - and are demonstrably not driven to do behave the way they do by their religion.
Its almost as stupid as saying those UK sex groomers are directly motivated by islamic doctrine - and yes I know you and others would seriously argue that.