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King FriYAY II

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Re: Air Strikes Strengthen IS?
Reply #15 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

Datalife wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

so leave them alone and they will come home.. dragging their dead behind them...

No, come up with at least something resembling a strategy for how to reduce and/or destroy ISIS.

Do nothing, the west can save some dollars and miss out on the usual opprobrium and let the Arab league sort it out. In 5 years negotiate with who is left.

Of course that would cause several or more genocide attempts of which Muslims will be victims but better than the west interfering.

Exactly. Ignore them and the entire ME.

Let them hack off as many heads as they want, let them keep killing each other flat out, who cares.

Apologise for ever setting foot in the place, tell them to enjoy their caliphate, and then leave them to it.

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Reply #16 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

I don't believe ISIS can win when they don't have control of the air.

Air power will defeat them in the end.

Hitler did not want to invade England without control of the air.

The RAF was all that saved England.

People like you fail to learn all the lessons of the past.

Islamic State continues its advance despite US airstrikes:

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Anti-ISIS airstrikes hit Syria targets as militants advance on Kurdish town

...there is no sign yet that the tide is being turned against the group, which controls large areas of both countries.

A U.S. Air Force general said ISIS militants are changing their tactics in the face of American air strikes in Iraq and Syria, abandoning large formations such as convoys that had been easier for the U.S. military to target.

"They are a smart adversary, and they have seen that that's not effective for their survival, so they are now dispersing themselves," said Air Force Major General Jeffrey Harrigian at a Pentagon news conference...

...The U.S.-led strikes have so far failed to halt an advance by ISIS fighters in northern Syria on Kobani, a Kurdish town on the border with Turkey...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/anti-isis-airstrikes-hit-syria-targets-as-militants...

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Re: Air Strikes Strengthen IS?
Reply #17 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:51pm

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am:

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII.

And now Vietnam is a friendly, peaceful tourist destination with a growing economy.
Cambodia is re-settling ME refugees.
Who says the bombing didn’t do them a world of good?

That’s the spirit. FD says Iraq is the next South Korea thanks to us bringing them Freeedom and demokracy.

ISIL think a little differently, but that’s pluralism for you.

Rich tapestry, innit. It is a jolly world, no?

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Reply #18 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

The thing that concerns me about all this Karnal is the apparent inability of the Iraqi Army to fight...yes fight and that is one big mother of a problem.

Just gone down memory lane with an SBS special on the Vietnam War.

It was fascinating to watch how that war escalated from 6,000 Advisers being in South Vietnam to 65,000 within 12 short months.

Then after JFK's assassination LBJ had vowed to stop the Communists in South Vietnam and stop the 'Domino Principle' of predicted Country after Country falling in South East Asia to Communism.

Of course that did not eventuate.

But the War in South Vietnam escalated and escalated. Eventually hundreds of thousands of U.S. Forces were involved.

I agree with you on one thing Karnal, the War in Iraq against ISIL cannot be won by Air Superiority alone.

The Middle East consortium of Countries against ISIL must band together to provide Armies strong enough to fight ISIL.

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Reply #19 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:42pm

red baron wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

The thing that concerns me about all this Karnal is the apparent inability of the Iraqi Army to fight...yes fight and that is one big mother of a problem.

Just gone down memory lane with an SBS special on the Vietnam War.

It was fascinating to watch how that war escalated from 6,000 Advisers being in South Vietnam to 65,000 within 12 short months.

Then after JFK's assassination LBJ had vowed to stop the Communists in South Vietnam and stop the 'Domino Principle' of predicted Country after Country falling in South East Asia to Communism.

Of course that did not eventuate.

But the War in South Vietnam escalated and escalated. Eventually hundreds of thousands of U.S. Forces were involved.

I agree with you on one thing Karnal, the War in Iraq against ISIL cannot be won by Air Superiority alone.

The Middle East consortium of Countries against ISIL must band together to provide Armies strong enough to fight ISIL.

Would you say that the war in Afghanistan is won?

I would say that the Taliban will be back as soon as they can -
if they aren't already.

The same could be said of ISIS.

There will always be Islamic lunatics in the Middle East.

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