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Air Strikes Strengthen IS?
Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII. US and British airstrikes between 1991 and 2003 also failed to remove Saddam.

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Islamic State: US-led air strikes on militant group's makeshift oil refineries 'not a real target', monitoring group says

..."These so-called refineries are not a real target and they do not weaken the Islamic State as they do not have any financial value for them," Rami Abdelrahman of the Observatory told Reuters....

....Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his senior Cabinet colleagues are expected to meet early this week to discuss the deployment of Australian forces in the conflict.

The impact of the strikes on IS's capabilities remains unclear with the militant group gaining sympathy from many Islamists after the attacks, including from rival groups.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said the American military has "no credible reporting from operations sources" of civilians killed.

However, New York-based Human Rights Watch said residents in areas of Syria which have been targeted claimed civilians had been killed in the strikes and called for a probe into possible violations of the laws of war...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-29/us-led-air-strikes-on-is-oil-refineries-no...

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Reply #1 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:49am

Still trying to oust Assad and replace him with a puppet leader. That worked well in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Libya (not).....same, same.

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The airwaves are still heaving with spin two days after US airstrikes against Syria.

Undoubtedly the attacks were timed to occur on the eve of the annual gathering of world leaders at the United Nations, so ‘Coalition’ partners could cluster behind the decision to bomb a sovereign state, uninvited.

The irony, of course, is that they are doing so at the UN – the global political body that pledges to uphold international law, peace and stability, and the sanctity of the nation-state unit.

The goal this week will be to keep the ‘momentum’ on a ‘narrative’ until it sinks in.

.......the Syrians have spent three years unsuccessfully pushing their narrative that the terrorism threat they face internally is going to become a regional and global problem. The US campaign is a Godsend in this respect – Obama has managed to get the whole world singing from the same hymn sheet in just two months, including, and this is important, the three states - Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey - most instrumental in financing, weaponizing and assisting ISIL and other extremist militias inside Syria.

http://rt.com/op-edge/190684-syria-coalition-airstrikes-isis/

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105949 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Air Strikes Strengthen IS? Reply #2 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 7:29am I don't believe ISIS can win when they don't have control of the air. Air power will defeat them in the end. Hitler did not want to invade England without control of the air. The RAF was all that saved England.
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Reply #3 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 5:37pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am:

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII. US and British airstrikes between 1991 and 2003 also failed to remove Saddam.

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Islamic State: US-led air strikes on militant group's makeshift oil refineries 'not a real target', monitoring group says

..."These so-called refineries are not a real target and they do not weaken the Islamic State as they do not have any financial value for them," Rami Abdelrahman of the Observatory told Reuters....

....Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his senior Cabinet colleagues are expected to meet early this week to discuss the deployment of Australian forces in the conflict.

The impact of the strikes on IS's capabilities remains unclear with the militant group gaining sympathy from many Islamists after the attacks, including from rival groups.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said the American military has "no credible reporting from operations sources" of civilians killed.

However, New York-based Human Rights Watch said residents in areas of Syria which have been targeted claimed civilians had been killed in the strikes and called for a probe into possible violations of the laws of war...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-29/us-led-air-strikes-on-is-oil-refineries-no...

Saddam was well controlled and caged up and no threat to anyone until the dirty Americans invaded.

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Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 5:46pm

why do you believe what you read in one media spin

who is RT.. and even more to the point who is Sharmine Narwani?..

why do you believe this person and no one from the West??...

I dont care who it is... they are not sitting in the UN or the desk in the Oval Office...they are probably not even in the bloody country...
according to the lying Australian media bombing the
oil refineries.because this is where ISIL make their money from...they are not so called refineries they are ones the ISIL killed for...

but you guys believe what you want to believe all these NICE PEOPLE will turn on you one day.. then what will you be saying..

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Reply #5 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 5:51pm

wally1 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am:

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII. US and British airstrikes between 1991 and 2003 also failed to remove Saddam.

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Islamic State: US-led air strikes on militant group's makeshift oil refineries 'not a real target', monitoring group says

..."These so-called refineries are not a real target and they do not weaken the Islamic State as they do not have any financial value for them," Rami Abdelrahman of the Observatory told Reuters....

....Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his senior Cabinet colleagues are expected to meet early this week to discuss the deployment of Australian forces in the conflict.

The impact of the strikes on IS's capabilities remains unclear with the militant group gaining sympathy from many Islamists after the attacks, including from rival groups.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said the American military has "no credible reporting from operations sources" of civilians killed.

However, New York-based Human Rights Watch said residents in areas of Syria which have been targeted claimed civilians had been killed in the strikes and called for a probe into possible violations of the laws of war...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-29/us-led-air-strikes-on-is-oil-refineries-no...

Saddam was well controlled and caged up and no threat to anyone until the dirty Americans invaded.

same about the Kurds.. ooops.. forget about them..

http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddamhussein/a/husseincrimes.htm

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Reply #6 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:20pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am:

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII.

And now Vietnam is a friendly, peaceful tourist destination with a growing economy.
Cambodia is re-settling ME refugees.
Who says the bombing didn’t do them a world of good?

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Reply #7 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:42pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am:

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII. US and British airstrikes between 1991 and 2003 also failed to remove Saddam.

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Islamic State: US-led air strikes on militant group's makeshift oil refineries 'not a real target', monitoring group says

..."These so-called refineries are not a real target and they do not weaken the Islamic State as they do not have any financial value for them," Rami Abdelrahman of the Observatory told Reuters....

....Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his senior Cabinet colleagues are expected to meet early this week to discuss the deployment of Australian forces in the conflict.

The impact of the strikes on IS's capabilities remains unclear with the militant group gaining sympathy from many Islamists after the attacks, including from rival groups.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said the American military has "no credible reporting from operations sources" of civilians killed.

However, New York-based Human Rights Watch said residents in areas of Syria which have been targeted claimed civilians had been killed in the strikes and called for a probe into possible violations of the laws of war...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-29/us-led-air-strikes-on-is-oil-refineries-no...

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Reply #8 - Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:45pm

Who the hell is the 'Observatory' when they are at home?
They should stick to doing what it is they do well whatever that is, and not bother to give military advice to nation states unless of course they themselves are going to place a battalion of pink tutu wearing troops on the battle field.
Quite obviously this "Observer' doesn't regard economic targets as worthwhile or legitimate targets of war, and think ISIL can just fund their war effort by plucking money off the money tree.
More left wing crap.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Air Strikes Strengthen IS? Reply #9 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:58am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:49am: Coalition of the Clueless We should be greatly alarmed at Obama declaring another military engagement in the middle east - and then quite literally admitting that he had no smacking clue what he was doing or what it would achieve.
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Reply #10 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:13am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Coalition of the Clueless

We should be greatly alarmed at Obama declaring another military engagement in the middle east - and then quite literally admitting that he had no smacking clue what he was doing or what it would achieve.

so leave them alone and they will come home.. dragging their dead behind them...

I agree let the bastards kill each other who bloody cares anymore... whats for dinner????much more important.

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Reply #12 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:19am

wally1 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:11am:

US airstrikes failed against the Viet Cong despite the US dropping more bombs in the 1963-75 war than had been used in the entire WWII. US and British airstrikes between 1991 and 2003 also failed to remove Saddam.

Quote:

Islamic State: US-led air strikes on militant group's makeshift oil refineries 'not a real target', monitoring group says

..."These so-called refineries are not a real target and they do not weaken the Islamic State as they do not have any financial value for them," Rami Abdelrahman of the Observatory told Reuters....

....Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his senior Cabinet colleagues are expected to meet early this week to discuss the deployment of Australian forces in the conflict.

The impact of the strikes on IS's capabilities remains unclear with the militant group gaining sympathy from many Islamists after the attacks, including from rival groups.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said the American military has "no credible reporting from operations sources" of civilians killed.

However, New York-based Human Rights Watch said residents in areas of Syria which have been targeted claimed civilians had been killed in the strikes and called for a probe into possible violations of the laws of war...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-29/us-led-air-strikes-on-is-oil-refineries-no...

Saddam was well controlled and caged up and no threat to anyone until the dirty Americans invaded.

The Halabja poison gas attack, also known as Halabja massacre or Bloody Friday, was a genocidal massacre against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988, during the closing days of the Iran–Iraq War, when chemical weapons were used by the Iraqi government forces in the Kurdish town of Halabja in Southern Kurdistan.
The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people, and injured around 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians; thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack. The incident, which has been officially defined as an act of genocide against the Kurdish people in Iraq, was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.

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Reply #14 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

so leave them alone and they will come home.. dragging their dead behind them...

No, come up with at least something resembling a strategy for how to reduce and/or destroy ISIS.

Do nothing, the west can save some dollars and miss out on the usual opprobrium and let the Arab league sort it out. In 5 years negotiate with who is left.

Of course that would cause several or more genocide attempts of which Muslims will be victims but better than the west interfering.

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