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Reply #15 - Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:02pm

Not offended at all Emma

I'll word this differently: you're right. "God" is more or less an external authority figure that dictates how we live our lives.

I'll say that some of the commandments are admirable.. but when people start claiming that say, homosexuality is evil, I draw the line. How is it evil to love another? Sure, it's evil to rape another, especially if another is a child, but is it evil that one loves another even if both have the same "junk" between their legs? When has love ever been a sin?

There are some other so-called sins I don't appreciate because they encourage division, violence, prejudice, etc.

The "God" I believe in is completely different to the "God" preached about in organised religions and fanatical cults. This "God" isn't anything to do with authority, it's simply the energy or awareness inside of all of us -- more or less willpower -- which, funnily enough, organised religions suppress, alongside banks, governments, "think tanks" -- their agenda is something common people like you and I are expected to conform to. We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

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Reply #16 - Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Yeah
We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

Yes..don't play along..?? we could starve.. OR BECOME CRIMINALS.

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Reply #17 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:23am

When working in the Psyche Wards.
A large majority of 'mentall ill' people who came in for the night had the basis of their illness due to Religious influences or 'Belief systems'.
The Marvel Comic SuperHeroes of USA Cinema and no different to their population as the Greek, Roman & Viking gods were to their people. Hence why one 'true believer' emerged recently 'As the Joker' to gun down 'non-believers'. A Cinema is like a Temple, where people congregate to 'believe' in something better for a short while.

There are different forms of mental illness. Some is substance abuse, where the brain slowly deteriorates to the point of looking like a rotten cabbage. Of circumstancial 'strain' where the brain can not cope with the exertion it is forced to undertake and like a broken leg, something snaps inside.

I consider Great Britain/United Kingdom a very 'Bi-Polar' nation. It doesn't know if it is part USA or part Europe...
...something it may have to face up to down the track. Wink

Schizophrenic? Well, when looking after these patients - I never really spoke to them, they already had enough 'voices' in their heads and they didn't need mine as well. Wink

Instead I would just express myself 'visually' and this occasionally got me a look from the patient of me being 'sly' Cheesy

when getting them to do what I needed of them.

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Reply #18 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:00am

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:23am:

When working in the Psyche Wards.
A large majority of 'mentall ill' people who came in for the night had the basis of their illness due to Religious influences or 'Belief systems'.

That is a lie JaSin .

Try, the majority of people who seek medical assistance [or 'come to the attention' of medical staff] showing signs of mental instability or mental confusion, is because of their own misuse of psychotropic ['recreational'] drugs.

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Reply #19 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:33am

Freedumb wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

I'll word this differently: you're right. "God" is more or less an external authority figure that dictates how we live our lives.

Wrong.

And God has put a spirit inside of us, so that we can directly understand what is 'correct'.

But we [mankind] invariably follow the most popular philosophy of our age....

"If it feels good, do it!"

Proverbs 14:12

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Quote:

I'll say that some of the commandments are admirable.. but when people start claiming that say, homosexuality is evil, I draw the line.

God says.

Quote:

How is it evil to love another?

Sexual lust, is transformed into the emotion of 'LOVE', is it ?

Do you remember.....

"If it feels good, do it!"

?????

Quote:

Sure, it's evil to rape another, especially if another is a child,

#1,
but is it evil that one loves another even if both have the same "junk" between their legs? When has love ever been a sin?

#2,
There are some other so-called sins I don't appreciate because they encourage division, violence, prejudice, etc.

#1,
God says, 'Don't do that!'.

#2,
And you spit in Gods face, because you say;

"If it feels good, do it!"

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The "God" I believe in is completely different to the "God" preached about in organised religions and fanatical cults.

God is inside of you, if you welcome him, by respecting his love, and his rules.

If we disrespect his love, and his rules, God will 'abandon' you, TO YOUR OWN DESIRES.

"If it feels good, do it!"

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This "God" isn't anything to do with authority,

No ????

Spitting in the face of your creator - BECAUSE HIS RULES [FOR YOUR WELL-BEING] DO NOT SUIT THE WAY THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE YOUR LIFE, ....that is OK ?

Exodus 25:8
And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

Exodus 29:45
And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

Exodus 29:46
And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.

Leviticus 11:44
For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:....

Leviticus 19:2
Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....i

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it's simply the energy or awareness inside of all of us -- more or less willpower -- which, funnily enough, organised religions suppress, alongside

banks, governments, "think tanks" -- their agenda is something common people like you and I are expected to conform to.

We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

It is very simple.

God is a spirit, who gives us a choice, to follow his guiding spirit, or, to be disobedient to his guiding spirit.

Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

OR PUT IN ANOTHER FORM OF WORDS.....

"And what is good, Phaedrus? And what is not good? Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"

Plato
found in, Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #20 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:26am

I accept that God is a spirit, my only problem is, who actually wrote the rules of God?

These commandments were conveyed by man, who spoke to angels/higher beings, who, in turn, gave the message to them.

So technically, men wrote the commandments, not God. Should we simply accept their writing as gospel?

Another problem is, people interpret the bible however they want.... so who's right, do we really know?

If I decide to sleep with another woman, it doesn't make me the anti-Christ. There is no harm done between two consenting adults.

Also, the act of sex is what gives life (between man and woman) -- it is a sin not to be married while doing so, so having a ring and a piece of paper makes the sin of giving life okay?

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Reply #21 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:23am:

When working in the Psyche Wards.
A large majority of 'mentall ill' people who came in for the night had the basis of their illness due to Religious influences or 'Belief systems'.

That is a lie JaSin .

Try, the majority of people who seek medical assistance [or 'come to the attention' of medical staff] showing signs of mental instability or mental confusion, is because of their own misuse of psychotropic ['recreational'] drugs.

...and the cause of that usage stems from Roll Eyes

I spent many a nightshift in those Emergency sections around many different Hospitals around Sydney. I spent many a nightshift one-on-one with these people and listened to what they had to say and express. A lot of young 'Moslem' kids doing themselves harm as they try to cope with intergrating into a nation that is not like the one their Parent's think it should be (re: Religion).
The illicit drugs and alcohol is just the 'icing' on the cake. Sad

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Reply #22 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:21pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

I accept that God is a spirit, my only problem is, who actually wrote the rules of God?

These commandments were conveyed by man, who spoke to angels/higher beings, who, in turn, gave the message to them.

So technically, men wrote the commandments, not God. Should we simply accept their writing as gospel?

Another problem is, people interpret the bible however they want.... so who's right, do we really know?

If I decide to sleep with another woman, it doesn't make me the anti-Christ. There is no harm done between two consenting adults.

Also, the act of sex is what gives life (between man and woman) -- it is a sin not to be married while doing so, so having a ring and a piece of paper makes the sin of giving life okay?

Yes - Religion is not written by God. It is written by men who consider it a work 'of God' (of Greatness) ...of Power (over others). After the Sumerians invented Writing (in the name of Sin on the Temple of Ur) to record 'data' so to speak. A few civilisations later, the conquering Babylonians began to use Writing as a form of empowerment over others and not long after that - 'religious' expressions started to manifest via the 'Gift of Writing'.

We now have 'New Worlds' on the map, like North America and via Writing, new Religions emerging. Take Mormonism.
As one Mormon told me on an Athiest Form (AFA) of all places "We know our Religion is crap, but it is our Made in America, religion." Just like Australians like Holdens I guess.

There is only two paths to immortality:
Via Creation of decendents for the physical aspect. Race.
Via Creation of dreams for the mental aspect. Culture.

How 'immortal' has those Pyramids in Egypt been? Sure they disappeared under sand for a while ...but reincarnated into the modern era again. Although the 'body' of the Pharaoh is long gone and his/her bloodline may still be in continuation today, the 'Image' and 'Memory' of the Pharaoh still also continue, even if its just a gigantic 'tombstone' and not an intergalactic beacon of transcendental Raelian empowerment.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #23 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:07pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:21pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

I accept that God is a spirit, my only problem is, who actually wrote the rules of God?

These commandments were conveyed by man, who spoke to angels/higher beings, who, in turn, gave the message to them.

So technically, men wrote the commandments, not God. Should we simply accept their writing as gospel?

Another problem is, people interpret the bible however they want.... so who's right, do we really know?

If I decide to sleep with another woman, it doesn't make me the anti-Christ. There is no harm done between two consenting adults.

Also, the act of sex is what gives life (between man and woman) -- it is a sin not to be married while doing so, so having a ring and a piece of paper makes the sin of giving life okay?

Yes - Religion is not written by God. It is written by men who consider it a work 'of God' (of Greatness) ...of Power (over others). After the Sumerians invented Writing (in the name of Sin on the Temple of Ur) to record 'data' so to speak. A few civilisations later, the conquering Babylonians began to use Writing as a form of empowerment over others and not long after that - 'religious' expressions started to manifest via the 'Gift of Writing'.

We now have 'New Worlds' on the map, like North America and via Writing, new Religions emerging. Take Mormonism.
As one Mormon told me on an Athiest Form (AFA) of all places "We know our Religion is crap, but it is our Made in America, religion." Just like Australians like Holdens I guess.

There is only two paths to immortality:
Via Creation of decendents for the physical aspect. Race.
Via Creation of dreams for the mental aspect. Culture.

How 'immortal' has those Pyramids in Egypt been? Sure they disappeared under sand for a while ...but reincarnated into the modern era again. Although the 'body' of the Pharaoh is long gone and his/her bloodline may still be in continuation today, the 'Image' and 'Memory' of the Pharaoh still also continue, even if its just a gigantic 'tombstone' and not an intergalactic beacon of transcendental Raelian empowerment.

Speaking of which, I'm finding many patterns.

Start with Adam and Eve, eating from the "tree of knowledge".

Now, add to that what I've highlighted from your post.

Is it just me, or is it a "sin" (according to organised religion) to have knowledge and think for yourself? If this was so, why would God make us "in his own image" and give us brains? Why give us sexual reproductive systems, and make the act pleasurable, of all things, if it was a sin?

It seems that to simply be conscious and breathing you're a sinner.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the clearly mentally ill people Reply #24 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm umm word the wise freedumb getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story.. Wisely, you have not replied..
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Freedumb Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1101 WA Gender:	Re: the clearly mentally ill people Reply #25 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:24pm Emma wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm: umm word the wise freedumb getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story.. Wisely, you have not replied.. I won't be getting into a neve rending story, debates such as religion are far too exhausting I prefer to get my views across and move along.
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Reply #26 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:26pm

Emma wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

Yeah
We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

Yes..don't play along..?? we could starve.. OR BECOME CRIMINALS.

To become a criminal would be to stoop to their level Wink

Starve? May as well just take a euthanasia pill now.

I have an idea... find some isolated little island somewhere (provided it hasn't been settled) take along like-minded peaceful people, and go back to basics. Grow our own vegetables, use sustainable energy, etc. Those in power and everything along with it can go get stuffed Cheesy

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Reply #27 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:31pm

Emma wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

umm word the wise freedumb

getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..

Wisely, you have not replied.. Grin

Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

Believe what you will.

We all do.

[but consider; what we believe, must determine how we will choose.]

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Reply #28 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:31pm:

Emma wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

umm word the wise freedumb

getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..

Wisely, you have not replied.. Grin

Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

Believe what you will.

We all do.

[but consider; what we believe, must determine how we will choose.]

That's very wise, I like that.

I also thank you for not getting on the defensive, as many people on here often do.

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Reply #29 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:50pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:31pm:

Emma wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

umm word the wise freedumb

getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..

Wisely, you have not replied.. Grin

Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

Believe what you will.

We all do.

[but consider; what we believe, must determine how we will choose.]

That's very wise, I like that.

I also thank you for not getting on the defensive, as many people on here often do.

I often express 'defensive' [words], and often not very wisely.

But i'm only human, i'm supposed to make mistakes [Billy Joel

].

I'm just on a journey.

When i get to the destination, my journey will be at an end.

Every day, on my journey, i will make some good choices, and some poor choices.

Do the poor choices i make, 'matter' ?

Yes, they do.

But hey, i'm only human, i'm supposed to make mistakes. Wink

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver;I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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