Australian Politics Forum - Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #45 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:23am

Conviction is the art of being certain

North,

I'm certain of something.

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“So where can I find truth”? He asked.

“You must go north”, the tortoise replied.

“How far north”? He asked.

“As far north as you can go and then some”.

“What? North of North?”

“Yes”

“You mean… south”?

“No, I mean north of north”.

“Well how do I get there?”

“Just keep travelling north as far as it is possible to go, then head north from there”.

There is no truth, wherever it is, that you are.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21897 A cat with a view	Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'? Reply #46 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:30am Oh yeah, ....here is the 'context' for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'? Reply #47 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:23am: Conviction is the art of being certain North, I'm certain of something. There is no truth, wherever it is, that you are. That is a dishonest, ad hom, attack in response to an honest question I asked you.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'? Reply #48 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:34am Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:30am: Oh yeah, ....here is the 'context' for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105 Your instinct for 'attack being the best defense' (as opposed to honesty) makes me wonder if you're a Scientologist.
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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #49 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:40am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:34am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:30am:

Oh yeah, ....here is the 'context' for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105

Your instinct for 'attack being the best defense' (as opposed to honesty) makes me wonder if you're a Scientologist.

I am not a Scientologist.

Honest.

[and never been associated with]

Sorry to disappoint.

here is something for you though.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/238#238

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #50 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:40am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:34am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:30am:

Oh yeah, ....here is the 'context' for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105

Your instinct for 'attack being the best defense' (as opposed to honesty) makes me wonder if you're a Scientologist.

I am not a Scientologist.

Honest.

[and never been associated with]

Sorry to disappoint.

Are you sure? So far you've posted a number of responses, calculated for ad hom attack.

None of which answer the simple, honest question... What was the context Reza Aslan's comment?

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #51 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:23am:

Conviction is the art of being certain

North,

I'm certain of something.

There is no truth, wherever it is, that you are.

That is a dishonest, ad hom, attack in response to an honest question I asked you.

North,

And i gave you THE direct source of the quote......

Quote:

Reza Aslan: “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery”
Oct 20, 2014

The context, is whatever you want to interpret it to be.

remember ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/239#239
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....Art follows awareness... And is the reason that certainty can only be imagined, not known.

But there you are, today, demanding that i provide you with certainty [re Reza Aslan's utterances] ?

How dishonest is that !!!

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #52 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 10:05am

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:23am:

Conviction is the art of being certain

North,

I'm certain of something.

There is no truth, wherever it is, that you are.

That is a dishonest, ad hom, attack in response to an honest question I asked you.

North,

And i gave you THE direct source of the quote......

Quote:

Reza Aslan: “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery”
Oct 20, 2014

The context, is whatever you want to interpret it to be.

So Reza has no right to expect to be quoted in the context he intended?

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #53 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 10:12am

north,

So what was the truth

...that Reza Aslan was imparting to us, in his utterance....

“The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery”
- Reza Aslan

You know, the truth that i am 'misrepresenting' or 'misunderstanding'.

The utterance about; 'the first thing that Mohammed did', .....was what ?

Do tell.

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #54 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29am

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 10:12am:

north,

So what was the truth

...that Reza Aslan was imparting to us, in his utterance....

“The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery”
- Reza Aslan

You know, the truth that i am 'misrepresenting' or 'misunderstanding'.

The utterance about; 'the first thing that Mohammed did', .....was what ?

Do tell.

What prompted the comment? What were they discussing?

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #55 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 10:05am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:23am:

Conviction is the art of being certain

North,

I'm certain of something.

There is no truth, wherever it is, that you are.

That is a dishonest, ad hom, attack in response to an honest question I asked you.

North,

And i gave you THE direct source of the quote......

Quote:

Reza Aslan: “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery”
Oct 20, 2014

The context, is whatever you want to interpret it to be.

So Reza has no right to expect to be quoted in the context he intended?

In what context is “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery” actually true?

I can't think of any. Can you?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'? Reply #56 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:39pm Soren wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:27pm: In what context is “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery” actually true? Historically (according to historians and theologians). However, it was the context of the conversation in which it was stated that is the point.
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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #57 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:27pm:

In what context is “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery” actually true?

Historically (according to historians and theologians).

However, it was the context of the conversation in which it was stated that is the point.

What happened to all the slave girls that you right hand possesses, as told in the Koran? Abrogated?

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Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'?
Reply #58 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 6:54pm

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What happened to all the slave girls that you right hand possesses, as told in the Koran?

Abrogated?

i

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“So where can I find truth”? He asked.

“You must go north”, the tortoise replied.

“How far north”? He asked.

“As far north as you can go and then some”.

“What? North of North?”

“Yes”

“You mean… south”?

“No, I mean north of north”.

“Well how do I get there?”

“Just keep travelling north as far as it is possible to go, then head north from there”.

Truth.

It is such a nebulous concept. Tongue

Isn't it, North, don't you think ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42405	Re: Islam: In the throes of an Islamic 'Reformation'? Reply #59 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 7:11pm Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 9:23am: Conviction is the art of being certain Conviction is what will happen if you ever end up before the beaks, Y.
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