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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #15 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 7:17pm

Raven wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Women in Solidarity with Hijabs

What next ?

Is there going to be a campaign among non-moslem Australian women to have clitoridectomies, in support for moslem women and 'religious freedom' for moslem women ?

[quote author=Yadda link=1390857768/42#42 date=1390968869]

Herbert,

I see it as indeed perverse [and potentially, as a criminal intent],
....that moslems, living in Australia, clearly see nothing wrong with using their own children [living in Sydney], to advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt, when we know, that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, intends to make lawful, female genital mutilation, which [if the Muslim Brotherhood ever came to power in Egypt], would be performed upon young Egyptian girls, exactly like the young moslem girls living in Australia, who are advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt!

I do wonder if these young moslem girls living in Australia, have any idea, have been informed by their moslem parents, of what it is, that they [those children, on the streets of Sydney, Australia] are advocating for ?

i.e.
[highlight]Do these young girls in Sydney, have any idea, of what it is, that they are advocating for, for their own counterparts, living in Egypt ?

Raven has seen you show support for Israel and Judaism many times on these boards. Why are you ok with them practicing genital mutilation on children but are up in arms when Islam does it? If it is acceptable for one shouldn't it also be acceptable for another?

Because i respect Jews who try to honour the ancient covenant that their people joined, with their God.

Because do not respect the covenant that the moslem has joined with his Allah.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

Torah law....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Torah law....

Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother

All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the law, the Torah,
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #18 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:05pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Women in Solidarity with Hijabs

What next ?

Is there going to be a campaign among non-moslem Australian women to have clitoridectomies, in support for moslem women and 'religious freedom' for moslem women ?

[quote author=Yadda link=1390857768/42#42 date=1390968869]

Herbert,

I see it as indeed perverse [and potentially, as a criminal intent],
....that moslems, living in Australia, clearly see nothing wrong with using their own children [living in Sydney], to advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt, when we know, that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, intends to make lawful, female genital mutilation, which [if the Muslim Brotherhood ever came to power in Egypt], would be performed upon young Egyptian girls, exactly like the young moslem girls living in Australia, who are advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt!

I do wonder if these young moslem girls living in Australia, have any idea, have been informed by their moslem parents, of what it is, that they [those children, on the streets of Sydney, Australia] are advocating for ?

i.e.
[highlight]Do these young girls in Sydney, have any idea, of what it is, that they are advocating for, for their own counterparts, living in Egypt ?

Raven has seen you show support for Israel and Judaism many times on these boards. Why are you ok with them practicing genital mutilation on children but are up in arms when Islam does it? If it is acceptable for one shouldn't it also be acceptable for another?

Because i respect Jews who try to honour the ancient covenant that their people joined, with their God.

Because do not respect the covenant that the moslem has joined with his Allah.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

Torah law....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Torah law....

Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother

All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the law, the Torah,
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18

How come the jews murder palestinians and steal arab land if the torah forbids it?

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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #19 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:40pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Women in Solidarity with Hijabs

What next ?

Is there going to be a campaign among non-moslem Australian women to have clitoridectomies, in support for moslem women and 'religious freedom' for moslem women ?

[quote author=Yadda link=1390857768/42#42 date=1390968869]

Herbert,

I see it as indeed perverse [and potentially, as a criminal intent],
....that moslems, living in Australia, clearly see nothing wrong with using their own children [living in Sydney], to advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt, when we know, that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, intends to make lawful, female genital mutilation, which [if the Muslim Brotherhood ever came to power in Egypt], would be performed upon young Egyptian girls, exactly like the young moslem girls living in Australia, who are advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt!

I do wonder if these young moslem girls living in Australia, have any idea, have been informed by their moslem parents, of what it is, that they [those children, on the streets of Sydney, Australia] are advocating for ?

i.e.
Do these young girls in Sydney, have any idea, of what it is, that they are advocating for, for their own counterparts, living in Egypt ?

Raven has seen you show support for Israel and Judaism many times on these boards. Why are you ok with them practicing genital mutilation on children but are up in arms when Islam does it? If it is acceptable for one shouldn't it also be acceptable for another?

[highlight]Because i respect Jews who try to honour the ancient covenant that their people joined, with their God.

Because do not respect the covenant that the moslem has joined with his Allah.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

Torah law....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Torah law....

Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother

All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the law, the Torah,
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18

So you respect genital mutilation as long as it is only perpetrated against boys?

That is evil. The very evil you say Muslims commit daily.

Your respect for this evil act is noted.

But if we are throwing around texts how do these grab you?

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #20 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:43pm

Continued Yadda

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?' But don't be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #21 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Quote:

Women In Solidarity with Hijabs campaign aims to unite Muslim and non-Muslim Australians

By Natalie Whiting

A new social media campaign encouraging women to take a photo of themselves wearing a head scarf to show support for Muslim women and religious freedom has been launched.

Women in Solidarity with Hijabs (WISH) began nine days ago and has already attracted almost 18,000 "likes" on Facebook.

It comes amid ongoing debate about banning the burkas and in an environment where reports of racial attacks against Muslim women are being made on a daily basis.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-02/campaign-uniting-muslims-and-australian-wo...

I feel excluded. Alienated even.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 7:00pm:

wally1 wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 2:25pm:

sodu wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:

'The veil is a tool of oppression used to alienate and control women under the guise of religious freedom'

This Muslim women disagrees with you. Who is in the right.

My own view is:

Cant be worn whilst driving.

Cant be worn in any building. Just like motor bike riders helmets.

dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195052/Why-I-British-Muslim-woman-want-burkha-ba
nned-streets.html

what you on about?

Gandalf mentioned the veil, not the face covering, there is a difference.

Niqab is not ordained in islam, them women chooses to wear it. Most who wear it do it after marriage, so who cares of they wear it, what do we want to do, go pick them up and go for a date?

You're implying that women are only relevant when they're single and available for you to date. Are you trying to reinforce the misogynistic male Muslim stereotype?

I'd say it's unavoidable.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs Reply #22 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:22pm Why is it unavoidable?
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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #24 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:49pm

Raven wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:40pm:

So you respect genital mutilation as long as it is only perpetrated against boys?

That is evil. The very evil you say Muslims commit daily.

Your respect for this evil act is noted.

Raven,

I have not been 'mutilated' myself.

I wonder if God will accept me ?

What do you think, Raven ?i

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But if we are throwing around texts how do these grab you?

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

Yeah.

God is an overly harsh God, isn't he !!!

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

He [God] doesn't want us [his potential children] to have anything to do with murderers and oppressors and criminals.
(Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

Why is that ????????

Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war...

Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Isaiah 42:13
The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Hey Raven,

Do you fear God ? [....if he exists. Wink

]

Are you someone that God hates ???

Would you be worried, if you were ?

Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

Psalms 32:1
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs Reply #25 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:02am freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:31pm: Reinforcing the misogynistic male Muslim stereotype. I asked why it is unavoidable.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49347 At my desk.	Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs Reply #26 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:08am My bad. Because he is a misogynistic male Muslim.
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Re: Women in Solidarity with Hijabs
Reply #27 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Yadda, thanks for putting your bigotry on view for everybody, again. Roll Eyes

So someone actually reads it.

More patience than me Gunga Din!

I tried to suggest to him sometimes less is more!

I suspect most readers do as I do and move on to the next post rather than try to wade through that long list of stuff

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Reply #28 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:24am

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

My bad. Because he is a misogynistic male Muslim.

Oh. Righto then.

Walid, what you said makes you look like a purple headed warrior. If it makes sense for you that women who are not available cover their faces and slide into obscurity, then the flip side of the coin is that women who are available should be shown off like goods at a market. Do you see your mother or sisters in this way?

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