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wally1 wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:03pm:


Hey! I'm up for anything at this time in my life. My Muslim workmates wanted me to convert, but then I told them it wouldn't be any good because I'm an atheist. They left me alone after that. They knew the Great Satan had claimed me for His own, and I was beyond redemption.   

Raven wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:11am:


Yes, God is love.

And God loves us.

But if we persist in being 'naughty', God is going to kill us.      

Why should you be shocked, at such a proposition ?       





Raven,

[Though many men deny it....] God is God, and we are not!

God is our creator !

Jeremiah 18:1
The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3  Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5  Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6  O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7  At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8  If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
.....
.....
11  Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.
12  And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.







Quote:



We are all the potential children of God.

And God has put a spirit in us, to understand.

But instead of walking a path of understanding, we choose to spit in Gods face, at to shout;

"Get out of my way [father]! This is my life! I will do, exactly what I want to do here!!!!"

OK.

Do what pleases you.








2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4  


Who is

'the son of perdition'

?

Is it the 'anti-Christ' ????

                    


, is the unpenitent person  - 'who exalts himself above all that is called God'?




Ezekiel 12:2
Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.


Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:


Jeremiah 5:25
Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
26  For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
27  As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.
28  They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.
29  Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
30  A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?







Cometh the harvest of the earth.

Soren wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:26am:



Soren,

Those two women were demonstrating the fact that many Parisians are tolerant people - no more than that.



QUESTIONS;
#1,
Assuming firstly that those women were moslem, would those women dare to attend their mosque dressed like that ?

#2,
If moslem women attended their mosque [IN PARIS] dressed like that, how would moslem men at the mosque treat them, if they did ??????????

Increasingly this debate seems to be more about non-Muslims imposing on Muslim women their values and beliefs, rather than the claimed idea that they are actually freeing them from oppression.  All that is happening is the trade of one oppression for another.   The wishes of the Muslim women seemed to be ignored.  So much for the principles of choice and living in a pluralist society!   

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:



I am Muslim by birth and I find the burqa confronting. I even wish no women would wear it. Does that make me a bigot?...

..Why is the battle for Muslim women's rights being fought by non-Muslims? The defence of the burqa by Hardy, Paris and others is, more than likely, propelled by their desire not to malign Muslims. What they fail to consider is that criticism of the burqa is not necessarily an attack on Islam.Shortly after Abbott's comments, Ameer Ali, a vice-president of the Regional Islamic Da'wah Council of South-East Asia and the Pacific, advocated for a burqa ban, calling it ''the lingering relic of a patriarchal, misogynistic and tribal culture'' and saying it has no basis in the Koran. 

While many Muslims might disagree with Ali, his comments highlight that even within Islam the burqa is a contentious issue. It is precisely Muslims such as Ali who should be discussing it but Ali faces a backlash from the Muslim community because the burqa has become such an albatross around its neck that Muslims would prefer that no one mention it at all.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/society-and-culture/burqa-defenders-paradox-of-injustice-20100812-121bm.html#ixzz3FF37SVo7

This was written in 2010. Nothing has changed here. In Europe, France, Holland and Belgium have banned face covering. 

2009, France."The problem of the burka is not a religious problem, it's a problem of liberty and women's dignity. It's not a religious symbol, but a sign of subservience and debasement. I want to say solemnly, the burka is not welcome in France. In our country, we can't accept women prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity. That's not our idea of freedom."

There was raucous applause from MPs and senators. Sarkozy backed the setting up of a parliamentary commission on the issue of full Islamic veils, calling for all arguments to be heard. "But I tell you, we must not be ashamed of our values. We must not be afraid of defending them," he said.

Earlier in his speech, he warned against stigmatising religion in secular France. "We must not fight the wrong battle. In the republic, the Muslim religion must be respected as much as other religions."

Muslim headscarves and all religious symbols were banned in schools in 2004, and the latest row over religious dress is likely to spark more soul-searching and controversy in France.