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What is holding the islamic world back? (Read 16475 times)
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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #105 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 6:28pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:15am:
Excuses, excuses from our resident Christian apologists.  Tsk, tsk, always trying to divert and obscure criticism of their murderous religious instruction manual!  They use smoke and mirrors to try and lie their way out of taking responsibility for what their religion says!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


It's sad, HB.  Christians claim to be morally superior to Muslims but as we see all too often here, it's a case of the pot telling the kettle it's bum is black.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #106 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm
 
moses wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 4:19pm:
Here's your big chance HB I challenge you to prove that the N.T. does not annul the ancient 3414 years old Mosaic Law of the Hebrews

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Prove any of the above verses do not replace the law with a new covenant

Or are you simply lying as per the usual fashion of the apologists for islamic terrorism?


Yet the Christian churches keep publishing The Old Testament, Moses as a part of The Bible, despite your claim of irrelevancy.

Further, this still does not explain away Romans 1:24-32, which are a part The New Testament...    Roll Eyes
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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #107 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 9:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm:
moses wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 4:19pm:
Here's your big chance HB I challenge you to prove that the N.T. does not annul the ancient 3414 years old Mosaic Law of the Hebrews

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Prove any of the above verses do not replace the law with a new covenant

Or are you simply lying as per the usual fashion of the apologists for islamic terrorism?


Yet the Christian churches keep publishing The Old Testament, Moses as a part of The Bible, despite your claim of irrelevancy.

Further, this still does not explain away Romans 1:24-32, which are a part The New Testament...    Roll Eyes

It is not irrelevant, idiot, it is history.  Is history irrelevant?


I think you are stupid on purposes - you know your arguments are stupid, yet to put them forward with a sense of idiotic defiance.


There is no Christian terrorism. There is no Christian State being established through blood.
There is Islamic terrorism, there are Islamic terrorists murdering and establishing an Islamic State.

You can squirm all you like Brain, but Islam is present in the world as a murderous threat.



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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #108 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 9:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Christians claim to be morally superior to Muslims



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Reply #109 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 12:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote Quote:
Yet the Christian churches keep publishing The Old Testament, Moses as a part of The Bible, despite your claim of irrelevancy.


Of course it's published as a record of the covenant between Y.H.W.H. and the Hebrews.

There were no Christians on the earth 3414 years ago when the O.T covenant was established.

How would Christians know what Christ was actually replacing if there is not a copy of what is to be superseded?

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Further, this still does not explain away Romans 1:24-32, which are a part The New Testament...


O.K. lets play your silly games

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

States that the **wrath of God is revealed against unrighteousness**

Romans 1:24-31 then give a list all iniquitous deeds unrighteous men will perform, pretty straight forward.

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Again very straight foreward:

**The judgment of God** will be on Judgment day.

There are two verdicts on the day God judges men 1/.eternal spiritual life or  2/. eternal spiritual death.

The crucial difference between islam and Christianity is:

1/.islam unequivocally states that muslims must judge then torture and murder non muslims, on this earth.

2/. Christianity leaves the judging of men to the last day and the judgment of God

keep apologizing for islamic atrocities Brian, it suits you
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Reply #110 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:25pm
 
"Deserving of death" means "put to death" by Christian believers, Moses.

You obfuscate and tap dance around the reality that The Bible contains instructions for killing non-believers.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #111 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 9:25pm:
It is not irrelevant, idiot, it is history.  Is history irrelevant?


History can never be irrelevant but as an historical document, it contains instructions which present day Christians all too often take to heart, Soren and act upon.   As much as you keep running from the facts, Christian Terrorists take heart from The Old Testament and have for thousands of years.  To them, it is God's instruction book.    Roll Eyes

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I think you are stupid on purposes - you know your arguments are stupid, yet to put them forward with a sense of idiotic defiance.


I rather think the only one being stupid is yourself, Soren.  You keep tap dancing around, being an apologist for Christianity.   I am merely applying the same logic which you use to condemn Muslims.  If it's good enough for you,  why isn't it good enough for the rest of us?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes

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There is no Christian terrorism.


Christian Terrorism.  Documented and recognised as such by Governments, Soren.    Roll Eyes

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There is no Christian State being established through blood.


Joseph Cony might disagree with you, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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There is Islamic terrorism, there are Islamic terrorists murdering and establishing an Islamic State.


Which is being condemned by the majority of Muslims, Soren.    Roll Eyes

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You can squirm all you like Brain, but Islam is present in the world as a murderous threat.


I don't doubt some interpretations of that religion are but they are not and cannot be considered mainstream.  They are extremist fringe elements.  No matter how you try and paint them as mainstream, intelligent observers know you're bullshitting, Soren.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #112 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:37pm
 
I've noticed in all your apologies for Islam, Brian, you have never once defended Muhammad.  Why is that?
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Reply #113 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:47pm
 
Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:37pm:
I've noticed in all your apologies for Islam, Brian, you have never once defended Muhammad.  Why is that?


Perhaps because I never apologise for Islam or Muhammad?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #114 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:57pm
 
What is holding the Muslim world back is ... religious saturation of every aspect of public and private life. It is stultified by loyalty to religious precepts of the 7th century.

It is by far the most important factor in militating against their advancement towards a state of civilisation in terms of democracy, personal freedom, and secular politics.



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Reply #115 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:02pm
 
I wrote 'apologise' for Islam. I wrote 'defend' for Muhammad. The sovereign of Islam never seems to appear in any of your dissertations. Why is that?
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Reply #116 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
"Deserving of death" means "put to death" by Christian believers, Moses.

You obfuscate and tap dance around the reality that The Bible contains instructions for killing non-believers.


Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Prove this verse does not refer to the **judgment of God** and spiritual death on the day of judgement.

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Reply #117 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:40pm
 
The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils - mainstream enough for you, Brain? - wants sharia law in Australia. In my view anyone who wants sharia law in a Western liberal democracy like Australia is not a moderate Muslims.

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Reply #118 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:49pm
 
Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:02pm:
I wrote 'apologise' for Islam. I wrote 'defend' for Muhammad. The sovereign of Islam never seems to appear in any of your dissertations. Why is that?


I follow the advice of L.P.Hartley, Bubba.   Perhaps you should as well?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #119 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:50pm
 
moses wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
"Deserving of death" means "put to death" by Christian believers, Moses.

You obfuscate and tap dance around the reality that The Bible contains instructions for killing non-believers.


Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Prove this verse does not refer to the **judgment of God** and spiritual death on the day of judgement.



I don't have to, Moses. You have to prove that it does.   I will be following the example you have set with Islam.   Off you go, now.    Roll Eyes
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