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Reply #135 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 10:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:42am:

Soren wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

You are an evasive, dishonest lurker, Brain. That is all you are

Again, prove I am dishonest in what I have just said, Soren.

Simply because someone does not agree with you does not make them dishonest.

Throwing such ad hominem claims just shows you've lost the debate, Soren. Roll Eyes

You support sharia.

I do? I challenged you to quote one statement of mine where I had advocated it. You admitted you were unable to. Lets see if you can admit your failure again? Quote one statement which shows I support Sh'ria, Soren. Roll Eyes

Let's see if you can say you do not support sharia.

Easy.

Say it, Brain, 'I do not support sharia law'.

You will not do it because you would have to set yourself against Islam if you did.

Say it, Brain.

I do not support sharia law.

Say it.

You will not.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42289	Re: What is holding the islamic world back? Reply #136 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:06am I neither have to support nor oppose it, Soren. It will not happen in Australia. Tell us, Soren, do you support genocide? Appears so with your comments denying The Stolen Generations' existence in the face of all the evidence.
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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #137 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:36am

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:

There are no instructions for murder in the OT for all future generations.

Lies

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It is much more of a history book than an instruction manual when it comes to the wars between the Jews and their enemies.

Lies. Why do Christians have a history of the Jews in their holy book, if they don't believe the God of the Old Testament is the same as the New?

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Even you, mentally negligible as you are, should realise that much.

Ooooh, look, some more ad hominem from a bigot and now it seems a liar. No matter how many excuses you make, the Bible contains instructions to it's readers as to what they should do to non-believers! Kill, rape, pillage, enslave them! Grin

Seems Christianity has nuffin to do with nuffin. All that death in the name of Christianity wasn't? Grin

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #138 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:56am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

No matter how many excuses you make, the Bible contains instructions to it's readers as to what they should do to non-believers!

Kill, rape, pillage, enslave them! Grin

Hot Breath,

Clearly, you are a stubborn and stiff-necked student, who refuses to be instructed by the Holy Bible.....iYadda wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

The commandments and statutes of YAHWEH are embodied, in THE EQUAL TREATMENT [in law] OF EVERY MAN WHO DRAWS BREATH.

Torah law....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #139 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:11am

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

No matter how many excuses you make, the Bible contains instructions to it's readers as to what they should do to non-believers!

Kill, rape, pillage, enslave them! Grin

Hot Breath,

Clearly, you are a stubborn and stiff-necked student, who refuses to be instructed by the Holy Bible.....

No, I refuse to imbibe of that Opiate as I refuse to imbibe of all Opiates of the Masses. I take my instruction from Mr. Marx, not some mythical creature in the sky or his supposed son who never existed. If you want to, go right ahead but don't try and force me to follow you or your filthy religion.

Christianity, justifying rape, murder, enslavement, pillaging for 2000 years! Grin

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #140 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

No matter how many excuses you make, the Bible contains instructions to it's readers as to what they should do to non-believers!

Kill, rape, pillage, enslave them! Grin

Hot Breath,

Clearly, you are a stubborn and stiff-necked student, who refuses to be instructed by the Holy Bible.....

No, I refuse to imbibe of that Opiate as I refuse to imbibe of all Opiates of the Masses. I take my instruction from Mr. Marx, not some mythical creature in the sky or his supposed son who never existed. If you want to, go right ahead but don't try and force me to follow you or your filthy religion.

Christianity, justifying rape, murder, enslavement, pillaging for 2000 years! Grin

Which Marx brother. I like Groucho personally.

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #141 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

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I see a reference to the "judgement of God". I assume it must be delivered by the "hand of man". How many witches have Christians killed over the centuries, Moses? How many Gays and Lesbians? All through delivering the "judgement of God." Case proved.

You assumed Brian?

Many many men over the millennia have assumed lots of things, however the important thing is, what did Christ say on the matter?

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Iniquitious people assume falsly to teach commandments of men as the doctrine of Christ.

They are rejected by Christ.

Your case has been disproved doctrinally.

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #142 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

No matter how many excuses you make, the Bible contains instructions to it's readers as to what they should do to non-believers!

Kill, rape, pillage, enslave them! Grin

Hot Breath,

Clearly, you are a stubborn and stiff-necked student, who refuses to be instructed by the Holy Bible.....

No, I refuse to imbibe of that Opiate as I refuse to imbibe of all Opiates of the Masses. I take my instruction from Mr. Marx, not some mythical creature in the sky or his supposed son who never existed. If you want to, go right ahead but don't try and force me to follow you or your filthy religion.

Christianity, justifying rape, murder, enslavement, pillaging for 2000 years! Grin

Which Marx brother. I like Groucho personally.

So do I but I prefer the message of Harpo! Grin

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #143 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:41pm

moses wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote: Quote:

I see a reference to the "judgement of God". I assume it must be delivered by the "hand of man". How many witches have Christians killed over the centuries, Moses? How many Gays and Lesbians? All through delivering the "judgement of God." Case proved.

You assumed Brian?

Yes, on the basis of 2,000 years of example of how Christians treat those they disagree with, Moses. Once they get the upper-hand, watch out, they'll have you nailed to a tree or burn you alive! Roll Eyes

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Re: What is holding the islamic world back?
Reply #144 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 11:16am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

I neither have to support nor oppose it, Soren. It will not happen in Australia.

You neither support nor oppose differential treatment of men and women, Muslims and nonMuslims, the mutilation and execution, the punishments for blasphemy and apostasy, the suppression of freedom of conscience, religion, speech, association?

Just peripheral issues you are happy to have no view on??
You love this immoral, spineless apologetics dressed up as squishy PC non-judgementalism, don't you?

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Reply #146 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 12:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

I neither have to support nor oppose it, Soren.

It will not happen in Australia.

Won't you allow 'it', in Australia brian ? Tongue

Some moslem disagrees with your opinion brian !!!

Australian Islamist: We Will Establish a Caliphate, Instate Shari'a, Make Arabic Official Language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFbH5Zkrxo

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Reply #147 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 1:39pm

Soren wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 11:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

I neither have to support nor oppose it, Soren. It will not happen in Australia.

You neither support nor oppose differential treatment of men and women, Muslims and nonMuslims, the mutilation and execution, the punishments for blasphemy and apostasy, the suppression of freedom of conscience, religion, speech, association?

Just peripheral issues you are happy to have no view on??
You love this immoral, spineless apologetics dressed up as squishy PC non-judgementalism, don't you?

A woman has more balls than the Brian/HB bot

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“It would be big step for Muslims to say ‘yes, I’m a Muslim, but no, I do not accept sharia law’, but that’s a step we need to take,” she says. “A lot of Muslims don’t want sharia law, they don’t live under sharia law and when it is imposed on to them, they flee.

“I think that it’s in this kind of dynamic that people will say, ‘I am OK with my identity as a Muslim but I object to sharia law.’

“Nice pious Muslims who join Twitter campaigns in the West to say ‘not in my name’ need to be more specific,” she adds.

“They need to say ‘hashtag no sharia law’ ”.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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Reply #148 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 11:44pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

I neither have to support nor oppose it, Soren.
It will not happen in Australia.

Won't you allow 'it', in Australia brian ? Tongue

No, my opinion won't matter, any more than yours does, Y.

The Australian majority won't accept it. It would require a referendum of unimaginable proportions, overturning everything from the Constitutions down. Considering the track record of referenda not being approved, it is impossible that such a massive change could get up.

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Some moslem disagrees with your opinion brian !!!

I don't doubt they do but that doesn't necessarily mean their viewpoint will prevail, Y, any more than yours will. Roll Eyes

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Reply #149 - Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 8:17am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 11:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

I neither have to support nor oppose it, Soren.
It will not happen in Australia.

Won't you allow 'it', in Australia brian ? Tongue

No, my opinion won't matter, any more than yours does, Y.

The Australian majority won't accept it. It would require a referendum of unimaginable proportions, overturning everything from the Constitutions down. Considering the track record of referenda not being approved, it is impossible that such a massive change could get up.

That's right, Brain. The Islamic State was established because they won the constitutional referendum.

And if it ever came to a referendum, would YOU support sharia or would YOU oppose it?

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