|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:


Have you missed the evolvement of this thread HB?

If Jesus (whether the son of god or not) did not exist the Koran would be a lie.The immutable word of God and all that. That's why he is revered by Muslims. He is mentioned as a Prophet in that book more times than Mohammed.

I believe that JC existed, indeed have no problem with it. He is not the son of god however.

If you wish to prove that the Koran is not the imutable word of god then look at Moses, mentioned (136 times) in the Koran more than all other Jewish prophets (cornerstone Ibrahim only 69)he however did not exist. Nor did Abraham.

As this thread is turning interesting Gandalf how about starting a new one regarding the veracity of the Koran

Hot Load, is you're problem that a hippie-fisherman/faith healer existed 2000 years ago or the fact that he didn't have sex with little girls?

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 3:11am:


Yeah, yeah, sure! Not likely. Doesn't the vatican have people subscribing to the concept of talking snakes, and parted seas at the will of a slave leader, and floods in which only two of each species survive, and miraculous multiplication of bread and fish? Because, those sorts of concepts lead normal people to think of crazy people being counterproductive.
And as for those witnesses, I can come up with four witnesses to testify to anything wild, yet not have to prove their point for others. Does that make them valid arguments?
I would write history essays, and reference the works of authors who I have never met, about issues that I have never witnessed. The whole point about the essays were not to write a direct account of what happened. But, rather to argue about the characteristic issues surrounding the historical topic. Had any or all of the historians been inaccurate in their writing, it wouldn't be for the modern observer to know. Ergo, a person claiming that a biblical character is real, based on other biblical characters' (whose identity can't be legitimised) claims of existence, does not give credibility to person making the assertion.
In regards to ridiculing Columbus and Shakespeare's existence, I'm sure that there are a bunch of Americans and Englishmen who could track down the details recorded of their lives, quite accurately. But if you want to go down that path, I'm sure you would make my point about Jebuz's lack of existence a lot stronger.

So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason.

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 6:04am:


I don't know to whom you are directing that missive. But I'm assuming to be the recipient since you are directing it to my side of the camp. I don't blindly accept that Jebuz existed, based on the fact that I haven't seen any evidence that strongly suggest that he exists.

Much like I don't believe in the Harry Potter character from Joanne Rowling's novels to have ever existed. Both Jebuz and Harry Potter only exist as storybook characters. But, if we time travelled 2000 years into the future, could there be a chance that Harry Potter might have been considered a real person from the year 1995? Conceived from the JK Rowling magic pen, as she sat in a beverage bar drinking magic coffee. Could you atleast consider that Jebuz is just a fictional character, as much as Harry Potter? For example, both characters may have done a lot to help people's motivation to read and imagine?

I will have a look through youtube videos on the subject and see what other crap comes up about your side of the story. Until then, keep us posted as to who the post of yours was directed.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:


Perhaps Christians need a little criticism because they are so fond of dishing it out, Sprint?   

Adamant wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:


No.  Why do you assume that?  I've seen declarations about the existence of JC but virtually no proof.  I demand to see proof of his existence!  Otherwise he's just another myth that foolish people have chose to believe in.  Another opiate the establishment feed them to keep them quiet and docile. 

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You forget, I don't believe in Divinity.  Therefore, nothing can be divinely inspired.  So, run along.  Find me some real, solid historical evidence of the existence of this character or accept he is a myth.   

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:


Stop imbibing of that Opiate Sprint.  It's addling your brain!  Blasted cultists!