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Re: What A Disaster The GP Co-Payment Would Be
Reply #30 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:41am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:04pm:
Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:41pm:
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Thousands of people will be forced to turn up in emergency departments to avoid paying the fee to their local GP," he said



Yep, and likely spend $20 on a cab to get there to save $7... Roll Eyes

as opposed to the $25 cab fee to get to the docs?  Cheesy Cheesy


It's about $50 odd from town to nearest hospital in a cab but the Medical Centre is in walking distance.  The pub is strategically positioned across the road too.  Schooies are $4.20.  So you could visit the GP, and then go and have 10 schooners for $50.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment


Take away the $300 blown on the pokies and it's not surprising




It's about $50 odd from town to nearest hospital in a cab but the Medical Centre is in walking distance


Not for the 80% of people who live closer to the hospital it's not.
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Reply #31 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:43am
 
Governing for all Australians apparently means penalising those with the lowest incomes ?
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Reply #32 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:46am
 
What A Disaster The GP Co-Payment Would Be

Only for the poor and the Hospitals.
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Reply #33 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:50am
 
The Bulk billing rates quoted look extraordinary - I have not found a bulk billing Doctor in 2 decades ?

I am not aware of one in my region ?

Do they count the ones who will bulk bill pensioners and such only ?

They seem to quote 50% as being poor and I would have expected about 20% to have been considered very good.
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Reply #34 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
Like many others, I pay a fair hike each year in Medicare and Private Health Insurance.    Very rarely do I get bulk billed for anything!   The co-payment wouldn't bother me IF it was going back to the health system, not being used to build the "Arab Joe Centre of Medicine"

We have more than enough research centres as it is, use the copayment to assist them if you must, but don't duplicate resources
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Reply #35 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Pathetic scare campaign. I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment. It's such a small amount and only for the first ten visits anyway. So if you're a regular visitor to your local GP, you won't pay it after your tenth visit. But even if you're not, most GPs bulk bill follow-up appointments. Pensioners won't have to pay it at all. This scare campaign is really quite appalling, as is the misinformation campaign associated with it.


most GPs bulk bill follow-up appointments

That's a new one - never heard of any doctor doing that.


My doctor has done it for me in the past and I've overheard other in the surgery getting the same. It's not uncommon.


you seem to confuse a doctors regular fees with the co payment ....

co payments will be added onto every visit.  Your doctor can pay them himself and refuse to pass them onto you, but I don't see an awful lot of that happening
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Reply #36 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:22pm
 
The Australian Medical Association (AMA) has unveiled its own plans for a GP co-payment and urged the Federal Government to adopt it, and ditch its own policy for a $7 co-payment.

AMA president Brian Owler says his organisation's plan is fair as vulnerable groups such as concession card holders are exempt.

"We propose a minimum $6.15 co-payment, which aligns with the current bulk billing incentive, that applies to all patients, but the Government will pay the co-payment for concession card holders and patients under 16 years of age," Associate Professor Owler said.

"The AMA co-payment model protects vulnerable patients in the community, values general practice to encourage quality care and support prevention and chronic disease management, and it also sends a price signal for non-concession patients."

The AMA put their proposal to the Government three weeks ago but heard nothing back from them.

"Under our model, there will be no cut to the Medicare patient rebate, and there is an incentive for general practices to collect the co-payment," Associate Professor Owler said.

"The AMA has long supported well-designed and well-intentioned co-payments, and that is what we are releasing today."

Under the AMA plan, there would be no co-payment on:

Residential aged care visits
Home visits
Chronic disease management services
Health assessments
Mental health treatment items
The AMA says plans to charge an extra $7 for blood tests and scans should be put on hold for at least two years.

"The AMA is not opposed to the principle that people with the means should contribute to the cost of their health care, but it has to be done in a way that is practical, values general practice, and protects disadvantaged patients," Associate Professor Owler said.

Health Minister Peter Dutton accused the AMA of a cash grab, saying their proposal benefitted doctors without addressing the Government's aim of arresting spiralling costs.

"The current proposal put forward by the AMA with regards to the $7 co-payment will result in a windfall for doctors while wiping out 97 per cent of the Government's estimated savings," he said.

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Reply #37 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 1:34pm
 
"Take away the $300 blown on the pokies and it's not surprising"

You really have to laugh.  Let me know when you have an actual point on the subject.  It is a terrifying thought that IF your 'wife' is a school principal, you both likely share similar thinking patterns of non-thought.

Makes her ideally suited to the current focus on on-education.
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Reply #38 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 1:43pm
 
Whatever happended to the if you don't hear from us everything is fine doctors follow up , now it's come in we need to get more of your money to tell you your iron levels are low.
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Reply #39 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:14pm
 
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whatever happended to the if you don't hear from us everything is fine doctors follow up , now it's come in we need to get more of your money to tell you your iron levels are low.


Because, even at current levels, the medicare rebate is choking solo and duo practice out of business.  Remember, they are the ones that were older fashioned, family doctors that knows you by your first name.  And we are left with medium to large sized corporate practises who demand their bottom lines from doctors who had signed an contract with them. 

The medicare co payment is going to make it worse.
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Reply #40 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:14pm:
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whatever happended to the if you don't hear from us everything is fine doctors follow up , now it's come in we need to get more of your money to tell you your iron levels are low.


Because, even at current levels, the medicare rebate is choking solo and duo practice out of business.  Remember, they are the ones that were older fashioned, family doctors that knows you by your first name.  And we are left with medium to large sized corporate practises who demand their bottom lines from doctors who had signed an contract with them. 

The medicare co payment is going to make it worse.


I'd like to see how that is happening - how is it possible for someone on six patients an hour at $50 a pop to go broke?

Corporatisation and tax dodging again?  Seems that's the only way to get ahead in this country...

Let's hear it from Andrei again - NOBODY would enter a corporate regime or run a family trust unless it paid handsomely in tax concessions. ....NOBODY!

Looks like Joe is getting anew line on where to look for the lost taxes...

Don't forget that these kinds of 'privatised' corporation models also incur the added costs of all those 'ceo's' and 'board members' on nice little earners for doing nothing, thus adding to the cost.

Bring back the Local GP.... my doc quit working for the local hospital because they were hassling him constantly over payments for getting callouts in the middle of the night... .now they've got a new graduate I think... I won't go there.  Another doc I know was hassled relentlessly over payments for travel to do nursing home visits..

Yep - the aim of the game is to cut costs of doctors by squeezing them from both sides - always been on the cards with every government claiming doctors are paid too much and put their prices up every time the Medicare rebate goes up.

Soon we'll be left with the Taught whiz-kids on the block... I tremble...
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Reply #41 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 7:54am
 
The Australian Nursing Federation
State Governments warn Mr Abbott about GP fee

Friday 10th October, 2014.

The Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation (ANMF) has expressed its concerns about recent analysis from State Governments showing the impact that will be felt in their  public hospital emergency departments (EDs) if co-payments for basic medical services are introduced.      Sad

Potentially, an additional 500,000 for NSW and 290,000 for South Australia ED presentations alone, according to the analysis.

ANMF Federal Secretary, Lee Thomas, said the reports from the Government Departments simply provided further evidence on the damage that will be caused by the Abbott Government’s proposed co-payments for GP visits and pathology and diagnostic tests, which health groups and experts have been warning of, ever since the Government’s Budget was first announced.

“Now, even State Governments and Health Departments are warning Mr Abbott about the dangerous impact of introducing co-payments,” Ms Thomas said today.

“The Abbott Government is claiming that co-payments are needed to send a price signal to consumers and control the budget but on top of the devastation they will cause to the health of the community, the co-payments simply make no economic sense.      Sad

“As well as this recent modelling from the States, in its analysis of out-of pocket health costs, the Grattan Institute calculated how much a shift of patients from GPs to emergency departments would cost the Government.

“The Medicare rebate for the most common type of GP consultation, which lasts up to 20 minutes, is $36.30. The average cost of a non-admitted level 5 triage visit to a hospital – a likely substitute for a GP visit – is $290.

“Multiplied by 500,000 for NSW and 290,000 for SA, and we’re not sure yet how much for the other states, that’s a lot of money. And while it might look good for the Federal Government’s Budget by shifting the costs onto the States and Territories, it’s no saving and it’s no way to run the country.

“As a Federation of State and Territory branches with over 240,000 members, the ANMF understands that the way we achieve things is through cooperation and collaboration not cost shifting and blame shifting. But maybe that’s because, as nurses and midwives, we’re used to working together to get the best outcome for our patients, their families and the community.

“It’s time the Abbott Government did the same.”    
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