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What A Disaster The GP Co-Payment Would Be
Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:08am
 
GP co-payment would crush NSW emergency departments: report

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    October 8, 2014


John Robertson says the GP co-payment will "smash the health system".



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An extra 500,000 people a year would choke NSW emergency departments at a cost of $80 million if the federal government proceeds with its GP co-payment, internal health department documents show.      Shocked

The analysis by NSW Health has been backed by doctors and health groups who say a $7 Medicare fee for GP visits would be a disaster for the state's health system, blowing out emergency department waiting times and hurting society's sickest and poorest.      Sad

Scenarios prepared for the NSW government in May, obtained by NSW Labor, assumed a $6 co-payment, lower than the $7 fee later proposed by the federal government.

It found a potential increase in emergency department attendances "in the vicinity of 500,000", leading to increased costs of about $80 million a year.

There were 2.6 million presentations to NSW emergency departments in 2012-13; that figure would have jumped by 27 per cent under a $6 co-payment, the analysis found.

NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson said the figures showed the co-payment would "smash the health system" and hurt families.      Sad

"Thousands of people will be forced to turn up in emergency departments to avoid paying the fee to their local GP," he said.

NSW opposition health spokesman Walt Secord said it was time the state government "stopped defending their federal counterparts and stood up to Tony Abbott and his GP tax".

Following the budget in May, NSW Premier Mike Baird expressed concern about the $7 payment to visit a GP, saying "if it leads to long queues in emergency departments, well, that's not something that's sustainable".

The co-payment is among a host of budget measures whose passage through the Senate has been delayed due to a lack of support from Labor, the Greens and the Palmer United Party. 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has previously signalled a compromise deal could be offered to ease the burden on pensioners.

The government says $5 of the $7 co-payment will go towards establishing a $20 billion Medical Research Future Fund. Health Minister Peter Dutton has said the government will push through a smaller version of the fund if the GP co-payment fails.

Australian Medical Association Federal President Brian Owler said hospitals have worked hard to improve emergency department waiting times.

"Putting another 500,000 people into that system is going to mean all of those gains are going to be lost, and we are probably going to end up in a worse position than when we started," he said.

Dr Owler said the policy was "driven by a fiscal and economic outlook, there is no consideration of … the health care needs of the Australian community."

The Consumers Health Forum of Australia chief executive Adam Stankevicius said the findings "show what a disaster the co-payment would be for primary health care in Australia, pushing so many patients toward belated emergency treatment".      Sad

NSW Health Minister Jillian Skinner said the "rudimentary scenarios" for a GP co-payment were developed after the National Commission of Audit proposed the measure.

Ms Skinner said she had written to Mr Dutton regarding the policy, but she did not detail what was said.

A spokesman for Mr Dutton said his government had given states the option of charging co-payments at emergency departments for GP-type presentations. Ms Skinner has previously ruled out that option.

"The simple facts are that Commonwealth spending on health is increasing each and every year. If action isn't taken Medicare will collapse under its own weight," Mr Dutton's spokesman said.

As Fairfax Media reported last month, federal government spending on health has grown at an average annual rate of 5.5 per cent over the past two decades, compared with 8.8 per cent growth for public order and safety, 23.5 per cent for communications, and 2 per cent for scientific research.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/gp-copayment-would-crush-nsw-emergency-departments-report-20141007-10rbih.html#ixzz3FUVnuUzT
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Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am
 
Pathetic scare campaign. I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment. It's such a small amount and only for the first ten visits anyway. So if you're a regular visitor to your local GP, you won't pay it after your tenth visit. But even if you're not, most GPs bulk bill follow-up appointments. Pensioners won't have to pay it at all. This scare campaign is really quite appalling, as is the misinformation campaign associated with it.
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Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:58am
 
Thank havens for the good people in the senate.  Mr Abbott, we don't want your doctor tax.  Mr Abbott we don't want your Co - Payment.      Sad   
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Thank havens for the good people in the senate.  Mr Abbott, we don't want your doctor tax.  Mr Abbott we don't want your Co - Payment.      Sad   



No! We don't want it. Leave Medicare alone Mr Abbott.
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Thousands of people will be forced to turn up in emergency departments to avoid paying the fee to their local GP," he said


Just levy an equivalent fee on services at emergency departments and that will foil the freeloaders.

Link the medicare card to Centrelink and deduct the fee from their next Centrelink handout just like Centrepay...SIMPLE

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Yep, and likely spend $20 on a cab to get there to save $7... Roll Eyes
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It would be a disaster for me. I've got good money resting on it not passing.
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Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:41pm:
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Thousands of people will be forced to turn up in emergency departments to avoid paying the fee to their local GP," he said



Yep, and likely spend $20 on a cab to get there to save $7... Roll Eyes

as opposed to the $25 cab fee to get to the docs?  Cheesy Cheesy
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment


thats because you're not very bright .... but not to worry, there are many others out there that will do the thinking for you Cheesy Cheesy
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John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:04pm:
Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:41pm:
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Thousands of people will be forced to turn up in emergency departments to avoid paying the fee to their local GP," he said



Yep, and likely spend $20 on a cab to get there to save $7... Roll Eyes

as opposed to the $25 cab fee to get to the docs?  Cheesy Cheesy


It's about $50 odd from town to nearest hospital in a cab but the Medical Centre is in walking distance.  The pub is strategically positioned across the road too.  Schooies are $4.20.  So you could visit the GP, and then go and have 10 schooners for $50.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment


Take away the $300 blown on the pokies and it's not surprising


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Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
So you could visit the GP, and then go and have 10 schooners for $50.


...or 11 without the co-payment.  Sad
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Pathetic scare campaign. I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment. It's such a small amount and only for the first ten visits anyway. So if you're a regular visitor to your local GP, you won't pay it after your tenth visit. But even if you're not, most GPs bulk bill follow-up appointments. Pensioners won't have to pay it at all. This scare campaign is really quite appalling, as is the misinformation campaign associated with it.

$7 is a lot of money if you don't have much.

Let's spread the pain a little more equally then. Make the co-payment equal to 3% of one's gross weekly income for every doctor's consultation.
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Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:38pm
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:04pm:
Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:41pm:
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Thousands of people will be forced to turn up in emergency departments to avoid paying the fee to their local GP," he said



Yep, and likely spend $20 on a cab to get there to save $7... Roll Eyes

as opposed to the $25 cab fee to get to the docs?  Cheesy Cheesy


It's about $50 odd from town to nearest hospital in a cab but the Medical Centre is in walking distance.  The pub is strategically positioned across the road too.  Schooies are $4.20.  So you could visit the GP, and then go and have 10 schooners for $50.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment


Take away the $300 blown on the pokies and it's not surprising



You may be surprised to hear this Swag, but not everyone in Australia lives in Dapto Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

By the way, bus fair to the Wollongong hospital is what? $10?   Cheesy Cheesy
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Bam wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Pathetic scare campaign. I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment. It's such a small amount and only for the first ten visits anyway. So if you're a regular visitor to your local GP, you won't pay it after your tenth visit. But even if you're not, most GPs bulk bill follow-up appointments. Pensioners won't have to pay it at all. This scare campaign is really quite appalling, as is the misinformation campaign associated with it.

$7 is a lot of money if you don't have much.

Let's spread the pain a little more equally then. Make the co-payment equal to 3% of one's gross weekly income for every doctor's consultation.


For those that don't pay net tax
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Reply #14 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
Bam wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Pathetic scare campaign. I cannot imagine a situation where anyone wouldn't be able to afford a visit to the GP just because of this co-payment. It's such a small amount and only for the first ten visits anyway. So if you're a regular visitor to your local GP, you won't pay it after your tenth visit. But even if you're not, most GPs bulk bill follow-up appointments. Pensioners won't have to pay it at all. This scare campaign is really quite appalling, as is the misinformation campaign associated with it.

$7 is a lot of money if you don't have much.

Let's spread the pain a little more equally then. Make the co-payment equal to 3% of one's gross weekly income for every doctor's consultation.


For those that don't pay net tax


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