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Abbott To Create Terror Threats
Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:54am

Abbott creates new laws which allow ASIO to encourage terrorism.

ASIO wil now go around telling young men to attack Australia:

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Will agencies like ASIO be above the law?

The new legislation provides legal immunity for ASIO officers engaged in activities designated by the Attorney-General as special intelligence operations...ASIO officers and agents will pretend to be terrorists and even establish fake terrorist groups...

http://www.smh.com.au/national/national-security-laws-the-questions-you-were-too-nervous-to-ask-in-case-asio-was-listening-20141004-10q7ud.html

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats Reply #1 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:06am Who'd have thunk it......if you follow the devil. Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by...
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats Reply #2 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 12:58pm There is a sale on new brains at Woollies at the moment. You pair should venture down and pick up a few....
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Reply #3 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

Entrapment....set up Jihaislam and wait for the dumb, the silly, the demented, and the mentally lame to come along and sign up.

Yeah - that'll happen.....

One thing experience with, say, the IRA showed was the 'ability of the (sic) terrorist to swim in a sea of the people', and one of the intense security issues confronting the West in dealing with Islamic terrorism is the simple fact that they all know one another etc. Very difficult to penetrate and very difficult to 'turn' any 'terrorist' and make of him/her a front for an organisation that will welcome potential killer and then arrest them or use them to gain access deeper into the terrorist population out there - information gathering.

How many Jihad Joe's would NOT know that their cousin, Abulkar, works for the government? How many Aussie copper types can effectively masquerade as Islamics bent on terrorism?

Any sudden influx of strangers would be viewed with suspicion, and any sudden increase in terrorist jargon would be strange to say the least.

These are pretty closed communities.

Maybe Tony is considering the use of Death Squads instead.... CT groups operating under the same rules - No Rules or Rule Nine Millimetre.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats Reply #4 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:24pm Don't you watch the movies Grap? The goodies go under cover and infiltrate the baddies and save the world..... Get with it
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DaS Energy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3962 Gender:	Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats Reply #5 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:33pm A group committed to one purpose is called a club. Clubs having criminal purpose are LNP banned in QLD under punishment of imprisonment. Federal LNPs oppose this with Federal Employees being paid to set up such criminal clubs. Does make you wonder!
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Reply #6 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:52pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Abbott creates new laws which allow ASIO to encourage terrorism.

ASIO wil now go around telling young men to attack Australia:

Quote:

Will agencies like ASIO be above the law?

The new legislation provides legal immunity for ASIO officers engaged in activities designated by the Attorney-General as special intelligence operations...ASIO officers and agents will pretend to be terrorists and even establish fake terrorist groups...

http://www.smh.com.au/national/national-security-laws-the-questions-you-were-too-nervous-to-ask-in-case-asio-was-listening-20141004-10q7ud.html

As the old saying goes- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

This is no different to what the Police do with undercover work catching criminals,drug dealers,etc.

Are you saying muslims should be treated differently TM?

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Reply #7 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:08pm

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

A group committed to one purpose is called a club. Clubs having criminal purpose are LNP banned in QLD under punishment of imprisonment.

Federal LNPs oppose this with Federal Employees being paid to set up such criminal clubs.

Does make you wonder!

Yes I wonder at your lack of perception.... Cheesy

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Reply #8 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:28pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

A group committed to one purpose is called a club. Clubs having criminal purpose are LNP banned in QLD under punishment of imprisonment.

Federal LNPs oppose this with Federal Employees being paid to set up such criminal clubs.

Does make you wonder!

Yes I wonder at your lack of perception.... Cheesy

Loser!

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Reply #9 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:06pm

Hope they don't use the AFP handbook......

Media storm
In the wake of the raids, it was widely reported that AFP officers had confiscated a sword for forensic testing, with some stories picturing the ceremonial sword sealed inside a federal police evidence bag. In the context of an alleged plot to "behead" a random victim, ordered by one of the most senior Australians serving with Islamic State forces, Mohammad Ali Baryalei, the sword appeared to be a weapon.

The Daily Mail Australia linked it directly to the beheading plot under the headline: "Was this the lethal sword terror cell planned to use to behead an innocent victim on a Sydney street?"

The Daily Telegraph set the beheading plot claim beside the discovery of the sword.

Many articles by Fairfax Media described the sword as large and curved with a gold handle and engraved with Arabic writing. Police did not explain to the media at the time that the sword was plastic.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sword-removed-in-counterterrorism-raids-a-common-plast...

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Reply #10 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:36pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Don't you watch the movies Grap? The goodies go under cover and infiltrate the baddies and save the world.....

Get with it Huh

There is a difference between entrapment where an undercover police person joins in for the ride until they make their arrest and agent provocateurs who entice others to commit a crime so they can arrest them, which in and of itself can be a crime. That's why (I suspect) abbott is legislating. To allow police to be agent provocateurs and to have immunity for what would otherwise be criminal behavior. There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for and won that even the king was not above the law. They are dismantling what little democracy we have. If the founders of the US constitution were here to witness this they would be horrified for they were rightfully wary of how easily the power of the state could be abused. We have certainly entered such a time now.

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Reply #11 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:58pm

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There is a difference between entrapment where an undercover police person joins in for the ride until they make their arrest and agent provocateurs who entice others to commit a crime so they can arrest them, which in and of itself can be a crime.

I have no idea about actual "entrapment" laws and rules here, but I suspect that in reality that they're like unicorns - i.e. mythical, and have nothing to do with reality - that they're more the stuff of US cop shows on TV.

*just googled - no such thing here.

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats Reply #12 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:06pm Breaking News...... Just added to list of suspects who are on watch alert.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats Reply #13 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:14pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:36pm: . There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for ...yes and then we discovered 'political correctness'. Now we are too scared to fight in case we upset someone.
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Re: Abbott To Create Terror Threats
Reply #14 - Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

. There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for

...yes and then we discovered 'political correctness'.

Now we are too scared to fight in case we upset someone.

Sorry, let me get this clear. You're too scared to speak you're mind because others might accuse you of being politically incorrect. Wow, what an oppressive society it is. How could you bear it?

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