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There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am
 
A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm
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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:34am
 


There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam



Yup,         ISIS, is ISLAM.


AND HERE IS ANOTHER 'AUTHORITY', HAVING THE SAME VIEW.....



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Professor at Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome: Islamic State not un-Islamic, “model is Muhammad himself”
Nicolai Sennels      Oct 6, 2014

Where is the border between Islam and Islamism? The media says that the two are different as night and day; Islam is a religion of peace, and the Islamists have stolen the name. Others believe that Islamism represents the traditional, pure Islam, true to the Koran.

This latter view is advanced, remarkably enough, by a theologian Martin Rhonheimer from a university endorsed by the Pope. He is a professor at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome and wrote an essay on this particular distinction in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

You do not hear many official Muslim voices condemning Islamic State, says Rhonheimer. And when it finally happens, it is usually only to condemn the bestiality because it harms Islam’s reputation.

The Islamic State is no heresy, but “a recurring pattern in the history of violent expansion. The model is Muhammad himself.”

“Islamic State’s legitimation finds its basis in the Koran and Islamic law, the Sharia,” believes the Catholic professor.

He states: “You will find no arguments within Muslim theology that can be used to condemn Islamic State’s behavior as un-Islamic.”…


Martin Rhonheimer then goes through the suras in the Quran that prescribe what should happen to the conquered Christians and Jews, and points out that the Islamic State strictly adheres to these regulations. Islam would like to influence the state and society in details, emphasizes Rhonheimer.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/professor-at-pontifical-university-of-the-holy...




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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:41am
 
Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am:
A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm



Uh-oh.

Taking them at their word is Islamophobic, bigoted, racist persecution of Muslims.  Must maintain facade: Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.






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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:24pm
 
You reckon its good taqiyya Soren? Roll Eyes Grin Cheesy Wink
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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:40pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:41am:
Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am:
A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm



Uh-oh.

Taking them at their word is Islamophobic, bigoted, racist persecution of Muslims.  Must maintain facade: Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.








Depends on who started ISIS, no-one can pin point who is helping them or how they started.

Lebanese member of parliament Rifi said that assad started ISIS to destabilise lebanon.

People say the Jews control ISIS, we know that israel is providing medical care to ISIS fighters.

People say America is supporting ISIS, ISIS have US weapons and ISIS were trained by US personnell in Jordan.

ISIS was originally formed by Ex saadam baathists.





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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:11pm
 
wally1 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:40pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:41am:
Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am:
A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm



Uh-oh.

Taking them at their word is Islamophobic, bigoted, racist persecution of Muslims.  Must maintain facade: Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.








Depends on who started ISIS, no-one can pin point who is helping them or how they started.

Lebanese member of parliament Rifi said that assad started ISIS to destabilise lebanon.

People say the Jews control ISIS, we know that israel is providing medical care to ISIS fighters.

People say America is supporting ISIS, ISIS have US weapons and ISIS were trained by US personnell in Jordan.

ISIS was originally formed by Ex saadam baathists.


Look at the clip at the link.

Sharuf and Elomar and the British headhacker on the beheading videos were trained by the US?
Israel is providing medical care to CAPTURED ISIL  fighters. As a moderate muslim you would have killed them after capture, like the ISIL guys did?

Are you a mainstream muslim, Wally?

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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 7:34pm
 


There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam





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[promotional graphic, for a public lecture, produced by Hizb ut-Tahrir]

"The West initiates another war to quash the noble Syrian revolution"









Hizb ut-Tahrir plans to hold a public lecture in Sydney on Friday,       promoting ??? the 'blessed ISLAMIC revolution' ongoing, in Iraq and Syria.

This initiative by Hibz ut-Tahrir, clearly indicates [that Hibz ut-Tahrir believes that there is] real and open support for ISIS, among many, many 'peace-loving' moslems, living here, in Australia.    !!!!!!!


Google;
The War To End A Blessed Revolution


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Uthman Badar from Islamic group Hibz ut-Tahrir

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Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir has planned to hold a public lecture in Sydney on Friday about the US-led military action in Iraq and Syria.

The lecture, entitled The War To End The Blessed Revolution, will focus on the West's role in attacking the "noble Syrian revolution".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/flyer-advertises-lecture-sydney-hizb-ut-ta...





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Hizb ut-Tahrir has stated publicly, time and time again, that its members support the re-establishment of an ISLAMIC caliphate.

But Hizb ut-Tahrir time and time again, has also emphasised that they only support the re-establishment of the caliphate, through peaceful means.


 !!!!!!!!!!

Honest!!!!                 Cheesy

Google;
hizb ut-tahrir, working, establishment of caliphate by peaceful means



And if you believe those Hizb ut-Tahrir lies [above], you were born yesterday.         

Google;
Taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit






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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:06pm
 
Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am:
A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm



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Reply #8 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:27pm
 
He's not very happy is he? He should watch his blood pressure with all that weight he's carrying.

Is anybody else on here still perplexed as to why muslims hate the west and America so much...they can't say it's all about oil still surely? All the money they've made out of the west by selling us oil but they gave it all to their stupid leaders rather than invest in their country, and that's the wests fault?
Seems to me it's the muslim way, always blame someone else for their own inadequacies.
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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #9 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:31pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:06pm:
Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am:
A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm



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The leader of the islamic state has a BA,MA and PhD in Islamic studies, of course those with no Islamic qualifications claim to know what is Islamic or unislamic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

The Islamic state are selling captured women and children into slavery for $10-12 in Mosul,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave he was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow Muhammad's example.
Having female sex slaves is halal for muslim men-
islamqa.info/en/10382


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Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:38pm
 
I'm surprised there's still any debate about this. It has been well documented since Isis came to the worlds attention that they are attempting to replicate what Ol' Mo did (murder,rape beheadings,slavery etc.)
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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:50pm
 
brumbie wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
I'm surprised there's still any debate about this. It has been well documented since Isis came to the worlds attention that they are attempting to replicate what Ol' Mo did (murder,rape beheadings,slavery etc.)


What I find strange is that a muslim politician has admitted that this is Islam, the teachings of the Koran. He has admitted that IsIs is following Mo's lead.

Have you noticed that none of the muslim apologists have dared to post. Telling eh?

What a dear man. Shut em all up. Allah uh Akbar.
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Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm
 
Yet again we see, deliberately, the erection of a strawman argument.  Islam is not monolithic.  IS's inspiration is Islam but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims.  It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.  Yet this is ignored in favour of the usual hackney myth that the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated.  What was Joseph Goebbels used to say?  "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.  It will become the truth."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:27am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
Yet again we see, deliberately, the erection of a strawman argument.  Islam is not monolithic.


IS's inspiration is Islam but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed



by most Muslims.




How ?

How is ISIS's interpretation of Islam's message is flawed ?

Where is the teaching from a school of ISLAMIC jurisprudence, which demonstrates - SCRIPTURALLY - to everyone, that ISIS's interpretation of ISLAM's message is 'religiously' flawed !!!






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It's [ISIS] use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.





Really!!!!!!!

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412730103/6#6






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Yet this is ignored in favour of the usual hackney myth that the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated.  What was Joseph Goebbels used to say?


"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

It will become the truth."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





The truth ???

ISLAM and the Koran, gives sanction to every action of the ISIS cadres, THAT, is the truth.




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Jordanian politician: Islamic State’s “doctrine stems from the Qur’an and Sunnah”… “There is no such thing as ‘ISIS ideology’ — it’s Islam
Sep 10, 2014

Wherever Muhammad Bayoudh Al-Tamimi is located, he should expect a knock on his door, and Barack Obama, David Cameron, Philip Hammond, Yvette Cooper, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Rev. Professor David Thomas, and a host of other non-Muslims to walk in and explain to him that he is misunderstanding Islam, and that the Islamic State has nothing whatsoever to do with the genuine article.

.....There needs to be a public discussion about this dichotomy and how it came about, and whose position is better represented among Muslim populations worldwide, as well as in light of Islamic tradition, theology and law. But that would require some honesty and balance in the public square, which doesn’t appear to be on the horizon.



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/jordanian-politician-islamic-states-doctrine-s...






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6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State
Robert Spencer      Sep 30, 2014

Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State. In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....

    At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam.

[BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extre...
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endo...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/0#0



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Re: There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam
Reply #14 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:35am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
Yet again we see, deliberately, the erection of a strawman argument.  Islam is not monolithic.  IS's inspiration is Islam but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims.  It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.  Yet this is ignored in favour of the usual hackney myth that the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated.  What was Joseph Goebbels used to say?  "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.  It will become the truth."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Be good enough and point out what exactly are the misinterpretation of Islam by ISIS.
Remember, ISIS is a bunch of Muslims at war. What they are doing is exactly what Muslims at war have been doing ever since Mohammed showed them the way. There is no departure from Muslim doctrine, only fanatical adherence to it.

Other Muslims not at war may be very embarrassed by ISIS but they have not explained any misunderstandings.

That letter of imams detailing the theological errors in ISIS's conduct is very elusive. Have you seen a copy of it in English? I haven't been able to find it.



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