Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:


I sort of wondered that myself!

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:



there is nothing to FEAR.. has anyone seen Bill?

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:


Doesn't change the truth.

Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah.

Every religion.

A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil.

But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion.

Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens.

We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do.

Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument.

C'mon you are better then that 

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:


We have more buddhists in Australia compared to muslims, does any ever use the word extremist or moderate in relation to buddhists?

Islamic terror is one repugnant aspect of Islam, it is not the main reason why i dislike that belief.
The Lancet documented 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq from 2003-2010, of these 1003 suicide attacks only 79 of them were directed at coalition forces,the study showed Iraqis were over 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61023-4/abstract

I disagree with your downplaying the threat of terrorism in Australia, Airport security,ASIO ,The AFP would also disagree with you.
Why do we have all that security at the airport if there is no threat?

13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam?

I know atheists who have to pretend to be muslim to avoid the death penalty for apostasy,they hide food and drink away every Ramadan they pretend to fast.
I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution.
Islam is not compatible with human rights as defined by the universal declaration of human rights, death for apostasy is a clear violation of article 18.

The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands, what article of the UDHR does that violate,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,Muhammad was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow his example.

Lefties like you embrace a belief that is not compatible with human rights,get a clue and look at what you support.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:


Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:



Whilst I'm far from an expert from the little I have heard a get the inkling that tha PKK are more in the traditional vein of a freedom fighter.
Mainly blacklisted at Turkey's behest.

I write this before I read you're article so may about to have my knowledge broadened.

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:


You lefties still don't get it, if muslims stopped doing Islamic terror tomorrow islam would still be worthy of long overdue criticism.

Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.

Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage.

Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?