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Reply #45 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:04pm:
But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion


I like that .....  Wink
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Reply #46 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:20pm
 
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent



How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.



What's  your point?

he hasn't got one ... but hey, that's Soren for you!
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Reply #47 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:28pm
 
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent



How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.



What's  your point?

My point is that you have said everything and the opposite of everything in your brief post and that this sort if equivocation and hedging will not do.
You are both against Islamist terrorist threats and measures agains them. You seem to be an ’on the one hand, on the other hand’ kind of guy.

Are you?



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Reply #48 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:32pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent



How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.



What's  your point?

he hasn't got one ... but hey, that's Soren for you!


Says the sad, lonely fapper.
What did you watch last nighr? Porn
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Reply #49 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent



How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.



What's  your point?

he hasn't got one ... but hey, that's Soren for you!


Says the sad, lonely fapper.
What did you watch last nighr? Porn


lonely? are you projecting again Soreen?  Grin Grin Grin

No, no porn last night ... wife wasn't in the mood.

What about you? was your boyfriend up for it?
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Reply #50 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:35pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:48pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:53pm:
Those on the far right refuse to accept their part in creating instability in the world that have allowed these extremist groups to gain legitimacy by opposing the oppressor who has invaded their lives.....Australia should keep out of civil wars that have nothing to do with us.....Nothing we do will stop groups like IS and HAMAS whilst we continue to throw fuel on the fire.....These groups want the West to bomb and kill as many people as possible to retain relevance as the oppressed.....Take that away from them and most Muslims would want to live in peace!!!

Huh Huh Huh


Those on the left should stop revising history in claiming Iraq was stable under Saddam.

We had 24/7 No Fly Zones in the north to stop Saddam killing the Kurds.
We had 24/7 No Fly Zones in the south to stop Saddam killing the shiites.
Is that the stable Iraq leftards refer to?

The sunni in Iraq are killing the Kurds and Shiites in 2014, the sunni have been fighting the Shia since the battle of the camel around 1400 years ago.

Of course the leftists say muslims need a brutal dictator to keep muslims in line yet when it comes to muslims in the west they prefer to appease instead of oppose or criticise Political Islam, oh the hypocrisy from the deluded leftards!

Are you suggesting it is better to do nothing about the barbaric brutal Islamic state in case our efforts are judged as throwing fuel on the fire, yes much better to let brutal barbaric regimes exist instead of opposing them according to leftard logic,if it was christians behaving like muslims in the Islamic state i am sure the leftards would be fukn outraged.


I am saying that internal civil wars are not our problem unless we are going to go into every civil war under the same pretext.....America supported Saddam Hussein when he was fighting Iran and supported the Taliban when they where fighting the Russians.....Apparently terrorists are alright when they are killing our enemies.....So using your logic we should go into every civil war where brutal barbaric regimes exist or is your outrage selective like your memory???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #51 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:11pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
...But when even the United Nations confirms that IS is beheading, raping, enslaving and torturing innocent civilians, they still can’t bring themselves to condemn the evil in front of their eyes.


Is that the same UN that a few weeks ago was pushing the fake story about IS ordering women to undergo genital mutilation?







bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State...






Quote:
Islamic State: Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman says allied mission in Iraq and Syria 'infinitely greater in barbarity'


An Islamic political organisation, which has been heavily criticised by the Prime Minister, has described the actions of Australia and the United States in Iraq as more barbaric than those of Islamic State militants.

A spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir - which advocates for a global caliphate or Islamic state which follows sharia law - said US-led missions in Iraq had killed more than a million Iraqis.

"What I'm opposed to is a level of oppression, of barbarity that far exceeds anything ISIS would even imagine doing, and that's represented in the actions of governments like Australia and its allies like America," Wassim Doureihi told Sky TV.

"I'm condemning something which is infinitely greater in barbarity than anything ISIS has ever done or could even imagine doing.

"I'm condemning a set of policies that have cost the lives of over a million Iraqis."...

...Hizb ut-Tahrir is holding a public lecture in Sydney on Friday, entitled The War To End The Blessed Revolution, which will focus on the West's role in attacking the "noble Syrian revolution".

Mr Doureihi said the lecture would explain why the organisation opposed military action in Iraq and Syria.

"The purpose of this lecture is to demonstrate that what Australia will be doing in Iraq and Syria, like its allies America and others - like they did 10 years ago in Iraq - will be absolutely disastrous," he said.

"And they are not there for humanitarian purposes, they are there for purposes of political expediency."

He said the current mission and the 2003 Iraq War were "state-sponsored terrorism".

"All of you should be outraged at the killing of innocent lives, but we should apply this argument consistently," he said...



www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/allied-mission-more-barbaric-than-is-hizb-ut-tahr...
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Reply #52 - Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.




Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible.
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Reply #53 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
John S wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.




Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible.



Really?? And where are these Catholic laws? Show them to us.
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Reply #54 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:35am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.

Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage.

Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?




Nope.

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Reply #55 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:36am
 
It really is amusing that dedicated leftists like Team Murdoch are now caning the UN for what they have said about IS. What a confirmation of what Miranda says in her opening remarks.

At least some of us are consistent in our opinion of the UN and what it has become. Certainly not the organisation that the likes of Doc Evatt or Churchill foresaw.
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Reply #56 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 11:48am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent



How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.



What's  your point?

My point is that you have said everything and the opposite of everything in your brief post and that this sort if equivocation and hedging will not do.
You are both against Islamist terrorist threats and measures agains them. You seem to be an ’on the one hand, on the other hand’ kind of guy.

Are you?





No

If you bothered to look at Raven's original point you would see he was pointing out that the media beat up and the politicians makes it seem like we are under siege in this country, like French Algeria or Indochina in the 1950s, or Iraq at the height of the insurgency, plagued by daily suicide bombings. 

As Raven pointed out terrorism here is not an existential threat. Nazism, imperial Japan, and nuclear holocaust in the Cold War were existential threats. Terrorism in Australia is a minor irritation compared to the rest of the world.

Does that mean we shouldn't have extra security at airports? No

Does that mean we shouldn't have extra security in public buildings? No
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Reply #57 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 11:53am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:55pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Terrorism here is not an existential threat


Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks?

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?
How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?
How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?
Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism?

I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.



OMG! Over twenty?  Shocked

That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population.

Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya'

Get a clue.

You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist.


The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam.

Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world.




Doesn't change the truth.

Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah.

Every religion.

A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil.

But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion.

Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens.

We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do.

Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument.

C'mon you are better then that  Wink


We have more buddhists in Australia compared to muslims, does any ever use the word extremist or moderate in relation to buddhists?

Islamic terror is one repugnant aspect of Islam, it is not the main reason why i dislike that belief.
The Lancet documented 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq from 2003-2010, of these 1003 suicide attacks only 79 of them were directed at coalition forces,the study showed Iraqis were over 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61023-4/abstract

I disagree with your downplaying the threat of terrorism in Australia, Airport security,ASIO ,The AFP would also disagree with you.
Why do we have all that security at the airport if there is no threat?

13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam?

I know atheists who have to pretend to be muslim to avoid the death penalty for apostasy,they hide food and drink away every Ramadan they pretend to fast.
I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution.
Islam is not compatible with human rights as defined by the universal declaration of human rights, death for apostasy is a clear violation of article 18.

The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands, what article of the UDHR does that violate,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,Muhammad was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow his example.

Lefties like you embrace a belief that is not compatible with human rights,get a clue and look at what you support.


Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent


You lefties still don't get it, if muslims stopped doing Islamic terror tomorrow islam would still be worthy of long overdue criticism.

Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.

Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage.

Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?


Raven agrees with you. As long as they practice those aspects of their religion they should be condemned.

Any other pearls of wisdom?
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Reply #58 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:55pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:30am:
John S wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.




Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible.



Really?? And where are these Catholic laws? Show them to us.




Read the bible they are all in there.
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Reply #59 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 3:17pm
 
John S wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:30am:
John S wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.




Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible.



Really?? And where are these Catholic laws? Show them to us.




Read the bible they are all in there.



Read history, for accounts of their execution, no shortage!
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