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Re: Miranda's Undeniable Truths Vol 2.0.5
Reply #60 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 6:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?

How many Buddhist countries have we invaded?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?

How many Hindu countries have we invaded?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?

We didn't have terrorism until Howard invaded Afghanistan.

So is it Australia's foreign policy which causes terrorism?i

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Iraqis were 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war.

Same could be said in France during WWII. The Vichy French were often targeted as collaborators of the Nazi occupiers.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam?

How many countries have actually enforced the death penalty?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution.

So have you heard of North Korea? There have been numerous riots and pogroms in India against Hindus conveying to Christianity. How about people who want to leave Judaism in Israel, and face having their children taken from them?

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In its controversial annual human rights reports for 1999, the United States Department of State criticised India for "increasing societal violence against Christians." The report listed over 90 incidents of anti-Christian violence, ranging from damage of religious property to violence against Christians pilgrims. In 1997, twenty-four such incidents were reported. Recent waves of anti-conversion laws passed by some Indian states like Chhattisgarh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh is claimed to be a gradual and continuous institutionalization of Hindutva by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labour of the US State Department.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#India_2

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...Mobs led by radical Buddhist monks also attacked the Assemblies of God Church and Calvary Free Church during Sunday worship services on January 12 in the coastal town of Hikkaduwa.

“A mob of over 200 men and women including 20 Buddhist monks entered the church while we were worshipping in the morning and damaged the building and destroyed equipment,” said Pastor Perumal of the Calvary Free Church.

“Bibles and hymn books were burnt. The group threw stones at the church and damaged the building. Police were unable to control the mob and asked us to leave the church immediately,”...

Akmeemana Dayaratna Thero, a Buddhist monk and leader of Sinhala Ravaya, a Buddhist extremist group, said that members of evangelical movements had harmed religious harmony in Sri Lanka by converting Buddhists to Christianity.

“They have established prayer centers in majority Buddhist areas and encourage Buddhists to join with them,” said Thero. “The government should not allow any foreign religious missions into the country.”

The government needs to introduce new laws and regulations to prevent the conversion of Buddhists to other religions, he added.

An anti-conversion bill was first presented in parliament in 2005.

www.ucanews.com/news/sri-lanka-christians-protest-against-attacks/70164

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On Dec. 29, 1977, Christians in Israel and the occupied territories protested a new law passed by the Israeli parliament making it illegal for missionaries to proselytize Jews.

www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

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Modern Jewish society in Israel rejects any form of proselytism, including evangelical sharing of the gospel. In the past, the Israeli government has denied citizenship to Messianic Jews (Jews who follow Christ), and city governments have burned Bibles and other Christian literature. VOM has shared stories in the past about Messianic Jews and foreign Christian workers who have been harassed by ultra-Orthodox, anti-missionary Jewish groups.

www.persecution.com/February2014

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Freedom of religion in Burma

On January 23, 2007, Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) released a report that documented the Government's restrictions, discrimination, and persecution against Christians in the country for more than a decade...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Burma

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The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands

Any actual proof of that?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,

Incorrect. He was given an Egyptian slavewoman by the Christian ruler of Egypt. He accepted the woman as a gift, but then married her.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Muhammad was a slave trader

He lived in a time and place where slavery was rampant. He actually banned most sources of slavery, banned sexual exploitation of slaves, and he and his followers actually freed thousands of slaves and captives.

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Reply #61 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:07pm:

”Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march.”

But you hate these people so why do you care if "the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march".

[moslems] aren't invading Paris or Sydney.

dsmithy70,

You are an imbecile, imo.

[moslems] aren't invading Paris or Sydney.

No, moslems are already residents and citizens in Europe and Australia.

And many moslems throughout Europe and Australia, now feel bold enough to attack both fellow moslems and non-moslems within Europe and Australia.

e.g.

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Germany: Muslims supporting the Islamic State attack Kurds with machetes and knives
Robert Spencer Oct 8, 2014

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/germany-muslims-supporting-the-islamic-state-a...

Within Australia, moslems are so enraged by reading ISLAMIC texts, that they feel bold enough to stab police with knives.

'Immigrant youths' in the Netherlands, protesting about how the locals have been 'persecuting' the moslem community.

What sparked the incident above, was a moslem man walked into a police station and stabbed a police woman.

She pulled out a pistol and shot him dead!

"POLICE SHOOT MOSLEM MAN, DEAD!"

!!!!!!!!

Yadda....
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Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011

Marie-Neige Sardin - a French women, a French shop keeper, persecuted in France, by local moslems by a tiny minority of extremists.

Because she is not a moslem.

And more...

Multiculturalisme et islam en France reportage de CBN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YQANdvvbY

Of course, moslems living within Western nations are being 'misrepresented'.

Because what is presented and portrayed in that YT clip, is not representative of the real influence of ISLAM, upon moslems. Tongue

Those who are 'the tolerant ones' know, that 'ISLAM is peace'... Tongue

THE TRUTH...
In localities where moslems are [still] politically weak or 'thin on the ground',
....moslems portray ISLAM, as a benign and non-threatening philosophy.

Later, when their local circumstances and fortunes change, and when the moslems feel 'politically' confident enough [to expose their real nature, and their real agenda/intent!], the moslems will explain [very 'sincerely' Tongue

] to the locals, that the moslems are only punishing them [the locals] in retaliation, because the locals have been 'persecuting' the moslem community for so long. And it is only justice, to now punish the non-moslems, because the moslems now can do this!

Moslems always, always, always, justify moslem violence as justice, and as rightful retribution.

ISLAM makes lawlessness, LAWFUL, to the moslem.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #62 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Terrorism here is not an existential threat

Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks?

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?
How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?
How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?
Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism?

I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.

OMG!

Over twenty?

That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population.

Raven,

19 moslems, i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS.....

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Raven,

There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia.

And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe.

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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74862 Gender:	Re: Miranda's Undeniable Truths Vol 2.0.5 Reply #63 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:27pm Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm: And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. how many?
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Reply #64 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:47pm

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent

How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.

What's your point?

The point is, that as a human being, #1, we can oppose evil [wherever we can], or #2, we can turn away [and pretend that we don't understand how evil tolerated, undermines our own humanity].

p.s.
Raven,

You are #2, imo.

Please watch this YT...

Jordanian-Palestinian Politician: There Is No ISIS Ideology - It's Islam

goto 2m 05s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1koyPZ8nlrY

ISLAM has a malevolent intent towards ALL human beings who are not moslems.

Ever so slowly!!!!!! American citizens are coming to see how the wool is being pulled over their eyes, by their own political leaders, in regards to what ISLAM is.......

Watch the YTube.....

Bill Maher Battles Charlie Rose on Why Islam is More Dangerous than Other Religions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw

SOURCE DOCUMENT, for Bill Maher / Charlie Rose YT....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/bill-maher-to-claim-that-islam-is-like-other-r...

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Reply #65 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:52pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe.

how many?

Lots and lots.

Muslim group criticises Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1evjaYkdnQ

Moslems

HATE US,

and they hate and despise the political system which has given many of them sanctuary, and which now sustains them and their families.

MUSLIMS SUCK OUT WELFARE SYSTEM IN AUSTRALIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd5LnH3vsgg
try this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CSC4zTWW0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74862 Gender:	Re: Miranda's Undeniable Truths Vol 2.0.5 Reply #66 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 9:09pm los and lots? how many is that? 10? 100? 1000? of 300 000 muslims in Australia (without looking back, I believe they were your figures) how many have expressed the views you claimed earlier?
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Reply #67 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 9:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

You lefties still don't get it, if muslims stopped doing Islamic terror tomorrow islam would still be worthy of long overdue criticism.

Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.

Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage.

Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?

Exactly so, Baronvonrort.

And sometimes, even when moslems are trying to portray themselves ['their group'] as 'moderate', the moslem will inadvertently reveal the real truth about his political and religious views.....

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6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State
Robert Spencer Sep 30, 2014

Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State.

In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....

At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam.

[BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extre...
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endo...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/0#0

Baronvonrort,

QUESTION;

Where are all of the lefties on OzPol,

who can explain away this 'misrepresentation' of ISLAM, by 'an international coterie of Islamic scholars'
??????????

Hmmmmmm ?

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Reply #68 - Oct 9^th, 2014 at 9:24pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:11pm:

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Islamic State: Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman says allied mission in Iraq and Syria 'infinitely greater in barbarity'

An Islamic political organisation, which has been heavily criticised by the Prime Minister, has described the actions of Australia and the United States in Iraq as more barbaric than those of Islamic State militants.

A spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir - which advocates for a global caliphate or Islamic state which follows sharia law - said US-led missions in Iraq had killed more than a million Iraqis.

"What I'm opposed to is a level of oppression, of barbarity that far exceeds anything ISIS would even imagine doing, and that's represented in the actions of governments like Australia and its allies like America," Wassim Doureihi told Sky TV.

"I'm condemning something which is infinitely greater in barbarity than anything ISIS has ever done or could even imagine doing.

"I'm condemning a set of policies that have cost the lives of over a million Iraqis."...

...Hizb ut-Tahrir is holding a public lecture in Sydney on Friday, entitled The War To End The Blessed Revolution, which will focus on the West's role in attacking the "noble Syrian revolution".

Mr Doureihi said the lecture would explain why the organisation opposed military action in Iraq and Syria.

"The purpose of this lecture is to demonstrate that what Australia will be doing in Iraq and Syria, like its allies America and others - like they did 10 years ago in Iraq - will be absolutely disastrous," he said.

"And they are not there for humanitarian purposes, they are there for purposes of political expediency."

He said the current mission and the 2003 Iraq War were "state-sponsored terrorism".

"All of you should be outraged at the killing of innocent lives, but we should apply this argument consistently," he said...

www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/allied-mission-more-barbaric-than-is-hizb-ut-tahr...

Hizb ut-Tahrir within Australia, are criticising those who oppose ISIS, because Hizb ut-Tahrir are spokesmen for, and sponsors of, ISIS, within Australia.

Duh!!!!!

Really!!!!!!!

[promotional graphic, for a public lecture, produced by Hizb ut-Tahrir]

"The West initiates another war to quash the noble Syrian revolution"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412730103/6#6

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Reply #70 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:30am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

dsmithy70,

You are an imbecile, imo.

Dear Yadda

Care Factor - ZERO

From what I read you're a religious nutter as bad as any muslim idiot.

Probably worse, on some days.

The amount of hate generated by Yadda and Sprintcyclist is quite alarming.

If I were the authorities, I'd be keeping a very close eye on them.

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Reply #71 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:01am

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

EMMA ALBERICI: Are you outraged by - are you outraged by the image of an Australian-born child of seven years old holding up severed heads like trophies in Iraq or Syria?

WASSIM DOUREIHI: Let me tell you what I am outraged by.

EMMA ALBERICI: So you won't even answer that question.

WASSIM DOUREIHI: Are you going to allow me to answer - are you going to allow me to answer the question?

EMMA ALBERICI: What are the Australian public to make of this kind of ...

WASSIM DOUREIHI: If you wanted a one-way discussion ...

EMMA ALBERICI: No. I think you're the one who wanted the one-way discussion.
WASSIM DOUREIHI: If you wanted a one-way discussion, you would not - you did not - you did not necessarily have to invite me.

EMMA ALBERICI: I am asking you legitimate questions, ...

WASSIM DOUREIHI: You're asking the question, baiting for a particular response.

EMMA ALBERICI: ... which you have obviously come here knowing you didn't want to answer.

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Reply #72 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Terrorism here is not an existential threat

Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks?

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?
How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?
How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?
Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism?

I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.

OMG!

Over twenty?

That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population.

Raven,

19 moslems, i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS.....

IMAGE....
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Raven,

There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia.

And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe.

IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e...

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again.

Until then go in peace

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Reply #74 - Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:30pm

Raven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Terrorism here is not an existential threat

Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks?

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?
How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?
How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?
Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism?

I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.

OMG!

Over twenty?

That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population.

Raven,

19 moslems, i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS.....

IMAGE....
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wtc-9-11.jpg

Raven,

There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia.

And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe.

IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e...

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again.

Until then go in peace

But Raven, you don't believe what i believe, so i can't debate you !!!!!!! [....i'm being factitious]

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