|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:12am:


Only stupidity in that comment.

An apologist  for islamic terrorism wrote in Reply #4 - Yesterday at 11:52pm:

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As usual apologists for islamic terrorists are liars.

The truth about Israel and the 1948 war and the 1967 5 day war is:

In May 1948, Israel became an independent state after Israel was recognised by the  United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East

Israel was attacked on the same day it gained its independence – May 14th. The armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel.

The invading Arabs states called for the Arab population to leave Israel, they declared it would be ("a war of extermination and a momentous massacre"). They would drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea.

muslims were told to leave Israel by the invading muslim armies.

Those that left were told that they could come back and take all the Jews possessions.

Those that stayed were told they would be killed with the Jews.

Although the muslim armies enormously outnumbered the Jews, the muslims were soundly defeated (they were flogged on every front) 

Egypt signed a peace settlement in February 1949, and over the next few months Lebanon, Jordan and Syria did the same culminating in peace in July 1949. Iraq simply withdrew her forces but did not sign any peace settlement.


On the morning of June 5, 1967, Israel responded to Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran. By June 11, the conflict had come to include Jordan and Syria. As a result of this conflict, Israel gained control over the Sinai peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

The truth is muslims were the aggressors, the Jews are most definitely entitled to the territory they captured defending themselves from muslims who had sworn to exterminate the Israelites.

Interesting you gloss over the 1956 war, Moses.  Why?  Are the facts too embarrassing?  Where Israel conspired with the UK and France to mount an unprovoked attack on Egypt to provide a casus belli for the Anglo-French invasion to retake the Suez Canal after Nasser nationalised it?  A act considered so outrageous that even the Americans couldn't find the stomach to back it and forced the withdrawal of the Anglo-French forces by threatening to call in it's financial loans to the French and the British?

Then we have the truth about the 1967 Six Day war, Moses.  As laid out in several books, the Israelis deliberately went out of their way to provoke the Egyptians into closing the Straits of Tiran to provide them with a casus belli.   Always remember, the Israelis attacked first in both wars, Moses.

Then we have the 1973 Yom Kippur war.  The only one of these wars, apart from 1948 when the Arabs attacked first.   They nearly won that one, too, coming within a whisker of doing so.   I'm actually thankful they didn't.  Their vengeance would have been hot and bloody and would have resulted in unnecessary suffering.   Their defeat taught the Egyptians that the only way they were going to recover lost territories was through negotiation and unfortunately, abandoning the Palestinians.

1982, the Israelis invaded and destroyed Lebanon.  1993 and 1996 saw them repeat the exercise.  Even the Israeli ex-Prime Minister begin admitted that they were basically unprovoked and were designed more to destroy the PLO than necessarily secure the borders of Israel.  In doing so, essentially they created the conditions which created Hizbollah.

Israel made territorial gains which were not, are not recognised by any other nation in all those conflicts.   They hold lands belonging to other nations and have made strenuous efforts at ethnic cleansing and colonisation.

I believe Israel's legitimacy is based on UN General Assembly Resolution 181, passed on 29 Novemeber 1947.   There was no resolution in May 1948 recognising Israel as an independent state in that month, Moses so the site where you found that is incorrect.  (You really do need to credit where you find information BTW, if you want to have any credibility.)  If Israel wants to be considered a legitimate nation it must retreat to the borders Resolution 181 established.   Otherwise it cannot claim any form of moral right to it's actions.   It needs to withdraw it's colonists from the Occupied Territories and dismantle all the settlements and allow an international commission to adjudicate over the issue of Jerusalem.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

To retake the Suez canal.
It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:



Apologies for the dead link.

Try this one;

http://www.jerusalemposts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&printertopi...


Google;
Israel and international law by Melanie Phillips

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:


Thank you for the revised link.  Interesting.  However, Phillips' use of the pejorative names of  Judea and Samaria in the first paragraph on the page shows where her biases lie.  Further, the Stone pamphlet which she allegedly quotes from appears flawed in it's reasoning IMHO and your attempt to use this as justification for annexation and ethnic cleansing is as well.   While Israel may, by conquest be the occupying power that does not give it to the right to necessarily annex lands.  Further, if you really want to go down the route of international law in this way, I'd be careful as there is a good case which can be made against Israel in it's failings of it's responsibilities as an Occupying Power, Y.

I suspect that as like many Christian Zionists you support Israel because of your belief in the reality of the Bible and the Jews as "the chosen people", am I correct, Y?   It is an article of faith for you.  For the rest of the world, it's a much murkier world where precedent, agreement and acceptance are much more important.

The reality is, Israel has been engaged in Ethnic Cleansing and Imperialism in Palestine.   It seeks to create "Eretz Israel" (literally, "Greater Israel").   It's government uses people such as yourself as "useful idiots" as Lenin once called them.   Don't let your faith blind you to injustices committed in the name of your god, Y.  You're betraying your faith and it's doctrine.   

Adamant wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:


You really can't see bigotry, can you?  Perhaps it's because you're a bigot too?   

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Not alone, numpty. The Brits and the French keep me company.