Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare (Read 1458 times)
imcrookonit
Ex Member
*



Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Oct 10th, 2014 at 6:28am
 
Civil disobedience at Centrelink, Medicare

Date
    October 9, 2014


Public servants at the government's largest department plan to flout office dress codes and ignore their bosses' emails and phone calls as well as taking traditional strike action over a bitter pay dispute.      Huh

Bosses at the Department of Human Services branded union rhetoric "outrageous" on Thursday after the CPSU lodged its application for protected action at the Fair Work Commission, alleging the department had walked away from wage talks five weeks ago.

The campaign of industrial disobedience might also include "re-queuing or transferring customers" or defying scheduled break times, as well as disrupting $150 billion in Centrelink payments and $29 billion the department pays out through Medicare and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.


The commission will hear arguments from both sides of the dispute in Sydney on Friday afternoon but department spokesman Hank Jongen reacted angrily on Thursday, saying he was outraged by the union's claims of the department walking away from talks.

"We are extremely disappointed the CPSU has chosen to start this process," Mr Jongen said.

"It is outrageous to suggest that the department has walked away from bargaining.

"As the CPSU is well aware, we are in the process of reviewing all the feedback we've received from our staff and bargaining representatives, including the CPSU, on our working draft [enterprise] agreement.

"It is the CPSU that has effectively walked away from the bargaining process by initiating this action, and we will be exploring our options in this regard."

CPSU National Secretary Nadine Flood said on Thursday morning that the plan for industrial action was a "last resort" in the face of a nasty attack on the workplace rights of public servants.      

"This government's nasty attack on workers' rights is bad for staff and bad for the millions of Australians who rely on these services," Ms Flood said.   Sad      

"Any industrial action is designed to send a clear message to the government and DHS that they need to come up with a sensible deal so staff can get on with the job of serving our community."      Wink

Public service minister Eric Abetz joined in the attack on the union on Thursday, with his office supplying a statement accusing the CPSU of a "dishonest campaign" and warning rank-and-file departmental workers to vote "no" if a strike ballot was held.

"The CPSU wants employees to take strike action in support of its unsustainable claim for a 12 per cent pay rise," the statement from the minister said.

"It will be DHS employees who bear the cost of any such action through loss of pay, not the CPSU bosses.

"DHS employees should be cognisant of this when considering whether to take strike action."

The dispute between the department and its 30,000 workers has been escalating since management put a below-inflation pay offer on the table in July, worth at most 1.15 per cent a year.



The proposal would also strip rights and conditions out of the department's enterprise bargaining agreement and require its public servants to work longer hours each week.

Department bosses dropped a plan to hold a snap ballot on the proposal a few days later in the face of angry opposition in its workplaces, with management blaming union intransigence and negotiations have been stalled ever since.

The escalating dispute is being keenly watched across the 160,000-strong Australian Public Service with Human Services the only major department to have made a concrete pay offer to its workers.

More than 116 departmental and agency workplace agreements expired in June but negotiations are stalled with bosses unable to come up with "productivity gains" tough enough to satisfy the Abbott government's hardline public sector industrial policies.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/civil-disobedience-at-centrelink-medicare-20141009-113fs3.html#ixzz3FgHlY0wW
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
imcrookonit
Ex Member
*



Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 6:51am
 
Industrial action looms in largest Government agency
Oct 09, 2014
The Community And Public Sector Union.
The main public service union today steps up its fight against an ‘ugly’ bargaining deal for Human Services workers by applying for a protected industrial action ballot.

The Community and Public Sector Union will lodge an application in the Fair Work Commission to ballot members working in Medicare, Centrelink and Child Support.

If successful, the order will allow members in this agency to take industrial action in protest at a deal that seeks to cut pay, conditions and remove important rights for more than 30,000 staff.  Industrial action could range from work bans and stoppages to strikes and other campaign activities.

CPSU National Secretary Nadine Flood said: “DHS staff are under attack by this Government. They are being asked to accept a deal that would strip away important rights, make it easier for staff to be made redundant, and remove protections around their super, all for a pay offer that is way below the cost of living. This is one of the ugliest deals we have ever seen and workers are taking a stand.”

“Human Services is one of more than 70 Commonwealth agencies unable to make a deal. Why? Because of the Abbott Government’s harsh bargaining position. Public Service Minister Eric Abetz is forcing agencies to strip conditions from workplace agreements and cut workplace rights in exchange for pay offers of between 0 and 1% a year.”

“DHS members are prepared to take action to make the Government and DHS change their harsh and aggressive bargaining position. Industrial action is not our preference, it is a last resort.

"DHS continues to tell us that they can’t offer staff anything other than cuts to rights and conditions. Meanwhile Minister Abetz is refusing to acknowledge his bargaining position is unworkable and won’t even meet with us.”

“This Government’s nasty attack on workers’ rights is bad for staff and bad for the millions of Australians who rely on these services," Ms Flood said.

"Any industrial action is designed to send a clear message to the Government and DHS that they need to come up with a sensible deal so staff can get on with the job of serving our community.”

The current workplace agreements for 165,000 public servants in more than 100 Commonwealth agencies expired on June 30 and bargaining negotiations are currently under way in around 70 agencies. No agency has been able to present a reasonable deal to staff, because of the Government’s aggressive bargaining position.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Armchair_Politician
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 26126
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:26am
 
Knowingly interfering with the payment of benefits to recipients is a criminal offence & may constitute fraud.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 15095
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:36am
 
Just replace the whinging blood suckers with a few of the people queuing for the dole that actually want work.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
imcrookonit
Ex Member
*



Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:51am
 
Why should they be replaced?.  They should be entitled to a fair pay rise, and working conditions.      Sad
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 15095
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:13am
 
Quote:
Why should they be replaced?.  They should be entitled to a fair pay rise, and working conditions.      Sad


The bottom line for the public service is that the Govt has to make cuts.  The union should be protecting jobs by NOT asking for increased pay.  Increased pay will result in more layoffs.

A real increase in wages regardless of circumstances is not a god given right.

If they don't like it, they can get a real job in the private sector and let people that want to work fill their spot.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
imcrookonit
Ex Member
*



Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:17am
 
Some wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.      Sad
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 15095
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:55am
 
Quote:
Some wonder why people join unions


It was compulsory for me. Angry
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
The Heartless Felon
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2869
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 9:49am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:55am:
Quote:
Some wonder why people join unions


It was compulsory for me. Angry


It isn't compulsory in the public service...their marching song is:" Solidarity sometimes..."
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Deep State Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 85015
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:03am
 
Quote:
Civil disobedience at Centrelink, Medicare

Date
    October 9, 2014


Public servants at the government's largest department plan to flout office dress codes and ignore their bosses' emails and phone calls as well as taking traditional strike action over a bitter pay dispute.      Huh

Bosses at the Department of Human Services branded union rhetoric "outrageous" on Thursday after the CPSU lodged its application for protected action at the Fair Work Commission, alleging the department had walked away from wage talks five weeks ago.

The campaign of industrial disobedience might also include "re-queuing or transferring customers" or defying scheduled break times, as well as disrupting $150 billion in Centrelink payments and $29 billion the department pays out through Medicare and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.


The commission will hear arguments from both sides of the dispute in Sydney on Friday afternoon but department spokesman Hank Jongen reacted angrily on Thursday, saying he was outraged by the union's claims of the department walking away from talks.

"We are extremely disappointed the CPSU has chosen to start this process," Mr Jongen said.

"It is outrageous to suggest that the department has walked away from bargaining.

"As the CPSU is well aware, we are in the process of reviewing all the feedback we've received from our staff and bargaining representatives, including the CPSU, on our working draft [enterprise] agreement.

"It is the CPSU that has effectively walked away from the bargaining process by initiating this action, and we will be exploring our options in this regard."

CPSU National Secretary Nadine Flood said on Thursday morning that the plan for industrial action was a "last resort" in the face of a nasty attack on the workplace rights of public servants.      

"This government's nasty attack on workers' rights is bad for staff and bad for the millions of Australians who rely on these services," Ms Flood said.   Sad      

"Any industrial action is designed to send a clear message to the government and DHS that they need to come up with a sensible deal so staff can get on with the job of serving our community."      Wink

Public service minister Eric Abetz joined in the attack on the union on Thursday, with his office supplying a statement accusing the CPSU of a "dishonest campaign" and warning rank-and-file departmental workers to vote "no" if a strike ballot was held.

"The CPSU wants employees to take strike action in support of its unsustainable claim for a 12 per cent pay rise," the statement from the minister said.

"It will be DHS employees who bear the cost of any such action through loss of pay, not the CPSU bosses.

"DHS employees should be cognisant of this when considering whether to take strike action."

The dispute between the department and its 30,000 workers has been escalating since management put a below-inflation pay offer on the table in July, worth at most 1.15 per cent a year.



The proposal would also strip rights and conditions out of the department's enterprise bargaining agreement and require its public servants to work longer hours each week.

Department bosses dropped a plan to hold a snap ballot on the proposal a few days later in the face of angry opposition in its workplaces, with management blaming union intransigence and negotiations have been stalled ever since.

The escalating dispute is being keenly watched across the 160,000-strong Australian Public Service with Human Services the only major department to have made a concrete pay offer to its workers.

More than 116 departmental and agency workplace agreements expired in June but negotiations are stalled with bosses unable to come up with "productivity gains" tough enough to satisfy the Abbott government's hardline public sector industrial policies.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/civil-disobedience-at-centrelink-medicare-20141009-113fs3.html#ixzz3FgHlY0wW



So Fat Hank was outraged?  Good - might bring on a heart attack.

Now, Hankie, stop acting like some jumped-up neo-Hitler - nobody really thinks you are the good oil, you know, mate - and start stop behaving as if the public service creates your own little kingdom or god arena....

Time some of you jerks started to wake up to what you are supposed to be doing and stopped being the pawns of your political masters that you became when you were 'contracted' under Wee Johnnie's reign.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:42am by Grappler Deep State Feller »  

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:41am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:13am:
Quote:
Why should they be replaced?.  They should be entitled to a fair pay rise, and working conditions.      Sad


The bottom line for the public service is that the Govt has to make cuts.

No, it doesn't. That's just regurgitated government rhetoric. The government has many other options available to balance the budget - cutting back wealthfare, cutting back corporate welfare, going after multinational tax cheats, cutting back on tax minimisation, abolishing tax loopholes, increasing taxes, selling bonds, increasing mining royalties, etc. Tens of billions of dollars of savings are available. Offering miserable pay rises that are in reality pay cuts only shows the government lacks the courage to go after the rorters.

Quote:
The union should be protecting jobs by NOT asking for increased pay.  Increased pay will result in more layoffs.

That's weak negotiation. What is the government going to offer to give up to get what they want? Nothing.

Quote:
A real increase in wages regardless of circumstances is not a god given right.

Pay increases are needed if you have bills to pay - they're going up pretty fast at the moment. On the one hand pay is being strangled by the cheap labour conservatives in the Liberal party, and on the other they are giving the corporations free reign to increase their prices as they see fit. Gas prices and electricity prices are going up due to corporate greed, and the government is doing nothing to stop it. it's going to get worse if the Australian dollar falls.

If you think increasing wages is optional, I would like to see you forgoing YOUR pay increases for three years.

Quote:
If they don't like it, they can get a real job in the private sector and let people that want to work fill their spot.

Not going to happen. The Federal government want to cut jobs in the public service through natural attrition.
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Deep State Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 85015
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:54am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:26am:
Knowingly interfering with the payment of benefits to recipients is a criminal offence & may constitute fraud.


Show me.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Deep State Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 85015
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:00pm
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:55am:
Quote:
Some wonder why people join unions


It was compulsory for me. Angry


For obvious reasons, swag - you are one of those delusioned folk who actually believe your boss gives you extra money and stuff just for being good.... and you seem to hAve no idea that it is the Unions who present a wage case to the appropriate body for consideration... or do you do it for yourself?

You also seem to think that anyone who doesn't wish to kow-tow to some politically driven agenda of cutting costs of those least able to accept them, are just leaners and bludgers.

You're not Central European by chance are you?

You can argue that the Union bosses have become like politicians in many cases - they are just there for their own good and promotion.... but the basis of the movement is sound and is the ONLY protection you have in reality if you work.

Every wage/salary increase flows on from the work of the Unions in presenting a case for rises etc. - something salary earners want to forget since it makes them no more than indentured serfs as well as the working peasants.  It's called snobbery, and it is dumb.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Lobo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 7407
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Civil Disobedience At Centrelink, Medicare
Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:12pm
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:55am:
Quote:
Some wonder why people join unions


It was compulsory for me. Angry


In what field, and when, was that??

Smiley
Back to top
 

"What's in store for me in the direction I don't take?"-Jack Kerouac.
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print