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Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer
Oct 10th, 2014 at 1:54pm
 
Defence Force personnel must give up leave in return for below inflation wage offer

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    October 10, 2014


Australian Defence Force personnel have been offered a wage increase of 1.5 per cent a year.

The federal government is asking Australia's soldiers, sailors and air force personnel to accept wage deal of less than half the rate of inflation and to give up some of their workplace entitlements, just days after committing the nation's armed forces to war in Iraq.      Sad

The nation's 57,000 men and women in uniform will have to give up some of their Christmas and recreational leave in order to get the pay rise of just 1.5 per cent a year over the next three years.

The Chief of the Defence Force Mark Binskin told the military on Friday morning that he expected discontent in the ranks over the offer but said it was "as good an outcome as I can negotiate in the current climate".

Air Chief Marshal Binskin said the army, navy and air force will be expected to make other "productivity gains" in order to qualify for the below cost-living wage deal.


ACM Binskin told his troops by email on Friday morning that 1.5 per cent per year was a "fair and reasonable" pay rise in the present environment of wage restraint in the Commonwealth public sector.

"While there is no doubt that the ADF provides a unique service to the nation, we must operate within the government's wage framework when considering any remuneration package," ACM Binskin wrote.

"Our salary increases are neither automatic nor are they an entitlement and we too need to demonstrate that increases to our salaries are premised on improvements in productivity and efficiency.

ACM Binskin said that he was asking his men and women to give up some of their leave entitlements as an offset against the pay rise.      Sad

"One of the things we will offer up is one of the approved leave days over the Christmas period. Another is the removal of extra recreational leave  provisions," he wrote.

"I know that leave is important to all ADF members and I have not taken this decision lightly.

"However, I believe that with the other leave provisions that are available, including short leave from duty, and the inequitable way that ERL has been applied across the ADF workforce in the past, these offsets are reasonable."

Military personnel are banned from union membership but early reaction from Professionals Australia which represents many members in the Defence establishment, described the offer as "outrageous".

"For the Government to put forward a pay and conditions offer for the ADF that is below inflation and strips members of leave entitlements, and other conditions, is outrageous," union official Dave Smith said.      Sad

"At a time when members are being deployed their families will have less capacity to pay the bills and they will have less time to spend with their families.

"ADF members don't get a real say in this outcome and have limited representation."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/defence-force-personnel-must-give-up-leave-in-return-for-below-inflation-wage-offer-20141010-1143ia.html#ixzz3Fi7BxpNs
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Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 2:42pm
 

Members of Parliament receive automatic pay increase annually, yet those who give their lives so Politicians can collect their pay packets, can go suck!

Really makes one proud that the LNP is in power to see our deserved get less and less!
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Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:07pm
 
Let's see our pollies settle for 1.5% and give up a raft of their 'workplace entitlements'....

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Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:38pm
 
Disgraceful - they want 'productivity' increases?

More body count?  What?

This reminds me of the horror stories coming out of Gulf War II - families on food stamps.

"Yer daddy jumps out of an airplane at midnight over hostile territory for less than entry level in a bank clerk job."




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Reply #4 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 11:27am
 
Subsidised housing, rent assistance, free medical, dental, subsidised childcare, fully funded tertiary qualifications, etc, etc. Don't think our military personnel are hard done by.  If you want hard done by, look at what the Americans pay their military personnel - the lowest ranked sailors earn less than our kids earn per hour at McDonalds (around $6 an hour). Also, don't forget that when serving abroad, they get an active service allowance and if in a war zone, they get danger pay on top of their normal salary and that danger pay is 100% tax-free. My brother, who was a Private (lowest rank) in the Army in Iraq during the second Gulf War for six months earned nearly $30,000 in tax-free danger pay. They actually have it quite good.
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Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 1:28pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 11:27am:
Subsidised housing, rent assistance, free medical, dental, subsidised childcare, fully funded tertiary qualifications, etc, etc. Don't think our military personnel are hard done by.  If you want hard done by, look at what the Americans pay their military personnel - the lowest ranked sailors earn less than our kids earn per hour at McDonalds (around $6 an hour). Also, don't forget that when serving abroad, they get an active service allowance and if in a war zone, they get danger pay on top of their normal salary and that danger pay is 100% tax-free. My brother, who was a Private (lowest rank) in the Army in Iraq during the second Gulf War for six months earned nearly $30,000 in tax-free danger pay. They actually have it quite good.



Really hard done by, their intestines are spread across the ground in sacrifice, so you can stick you four inches up somebodies wife, hip hip hoorah for you!~
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Reply #6 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:06pm
 
being in the ADF is one of the safest jobs around. Statistically, the  mining industry is far more dangerous. the benefits and pay are far too generous for the average grunt  in my opinion. these guys do 20 years of sitting behind a desk or cooking potatos and get to retire on a pension for life.
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Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:08pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 1:28pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 11:27am:
Subsidised housing, rent assistance, free medical, dental, subsidised childcare, fully funded tertiary qualifications, etc, etc. Don't think our military personnel are hard done by.  If you want hard done by, look at what the Americans pay their military personnel - the lowest ranked sailors earn less than our kids earn per hour at McDonalds (around $6 an hour). Also, don't forget that when serving abroad, they get an active service allowance and if in a war zone, they get danger pay on top of their normal salary and that danger pay is 100% tax-free. My brother, who was a Private (lowest rank) in the Army in Iraq during the second Gulf War for six months earned nearly $30,000 in tax-free danger pay. They actually have it quite good.



Really hard done by, their intestines are spread across the ground in sacrifice, so you can stick you four inches up somebodies wife, hip hip hoorah for you!~


If you think they do what they do for the money, you've got rocks in your head.
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Reply #8 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:15pm
 
ian wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
being in the ADF is one of the safest jobs around. Statistically, the  mining industry is far more dangerous. the benefits and pay are far too generous for the average grunt  in my opinion. these guys do 20 years of sitting behind a desk or cooking potatos and get to retire on a pension for life.


No pensions for life anymore. 
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ian wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
being in the ADF is one of the safest jobs around. Statistically, the  mining industry is far more dangerous. the benefits and pay are far too generous for the average grunt  in my opinion. these guys do 20 years of sitting behind a desk or cooking potatos and get to retire on a pension for life.


You're wrong there. In the last 20-odd years, more SAS soldiers have died in training exercises than in battle, such is the level of difficulty and realism their training necessarily involves. Your comments show you clearly have absolutely no freaking idea what goes on in the military.
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Reply #10 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:22pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:15pm:
ian wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
being in the ADF is one of the safest jobs around. Statistically, the  mining industry is far more dangerous. the benefits and pay are far too generous for the average grunt  in my opinion. these guys do 20 years of sitting behind a desk or cooking potatos and get to retire on a pension for life.


You're wrong there. In the last 20-odd years, more SAS soldiers have died in training exercises than in battle, such is the level of difficulty and realism their training necessarily involves. Your comments show you clearly have absolutely no freaking idea what goes on in the military.
Of course, the SAS is dangerous but thats not what I posted. if you take the ADF as a whole it is one of the safest jobs around. You people have SAS on the brains, the ADf is comprised of around 80,000 personnel, the vast majority of these people are not SAS and perform roles supporting those who actually may go into battle. like I said one of the cushiest and safest jobs around, no dispute.
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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:23pm
 
Datalife wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:15pm:
ian wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
being in the ADF is one of the safest jobs around. Statistically, the  mining industry is far more dangerous. the benefits and pay are far too generous for the average grunt  in my opinion. these guys do 20 years of sitting behind a desk or cooking potatos and get to retire on a pension for life.


No pensions for life anymore. 
really? i happen to work with a few who did their 20 years and are getting thier pensions.
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Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
ian wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:23pm:
Datalife wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:15pm:
ian wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
being in the ADF is one of the safest jobs around. Statistically, the  mining industry is far more dangerous. the benefits and pay are far too generous for the average grunt  in my opinion. these guys do 20 years of sitting behind a desk or cooking potatos and get to retire on a pension for life.


No pensions for life anymore. 
really? i happen to work with a few who did their 20 years and are getting thier pensions.


I am one of them, the DFRDB super system, that was changed to a system that gives you a bigger payout but no lifetime pension.  Those who were in at the time were given the option to opt in or stay under the old system.
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Reply #13 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:32pm
 
Yes Datalife, that is similar to the Australian Public Service who have now moved to an Accumulation Fund (in their case 15.4% super guarantee)  which accumulates to a lump sum but no guaranteed indexed pension like the old schemes.
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:34pm
 
still a nice handshake after 20 years. my point is that many who actually do put their life on the line for the public every day in non ADF  jobs get nothing.
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